977. - Helado Negro

29:19Jason Stewart:where i'm from jungle is where all the fucking rejects hang out but also that's where i was because like you would be you'd have the big trance area with like tiesto playing to 70 000 people on ecstasy and then you got the house room and then you got the day and you go down the line and then at the very end right is the drum and bass and junglist area and it's just smelling like patchouli and it's all fucked up but as somebody who grew up on hip-hop it's the first time you hear hip-hop vocals at a rave you're like oh thank god i'm not hearing fucking yeah yeah i'm hearing like lauren hill vocals on top of a wild drum and bass beat so then suddenly you're like oh okay i like dance music man

30:08yeah no i love it yeah and florida was known for for me it was like at the time like uh was it breaks for to me breaks were corny i know a lot of friends of mine like loved breaks i was not into it at all damn culture okay let it spray bro tell him tell him you still think breaks are corny this is crazy to me this is like somebody from la saying like i don't like tacos no but there was like you know i wasn't really into like dj icy and stuff like that so for me that wasn't like my my thing i was like very much into like as soon as like jungle hit my mind then

30:41Jason Stewart:i was like i want shit to be even weirder you know no i'm the same way as you i i always was like breaks is kind of weird it reminds me of like i don't know like when you when you listen to like all those 90s kind of sampled trip hoppy stuff and it just sounds like my first drum loop yeah yeah we're getting funky with it it always felt so weird but it's also such a huge part of miami culture like miami breaks is like it's in the water over there so you maybe you are ostracized in the in the junglist area saying like i want to listen to square pusher i want to score yeah to score. Are there any more hoes to scare?

31:26I'm looking around. Yeah, no, I was definitely, yeah, just really kind of like feeling like, yeah, how much more can I alienate myself? We're the same way. Have you guys seen, there's a guy I keep seeing on Instagram who basically is like a producer and people send him beats and he reviews them but he listens to like five seconds of the beat oh my god he's like no this sucks or you know he's like or he'll like send me a link to that and then i want to see that i will and then he's like when are you gonna start the song because it'll be like a loop for 16 and then the drums will come in and he's just like what the fuck but it's it's really it's really crazy it's just it feels like it's from like the the mid 2000s or something it's like something about it feels very strange to me but the beats that people are making and sending in the the varying degrees of quality are shocking yeah like just shocking like the like some of them sound like i made it and i can't play an instrument and some of them sound like they're ready to be given to frank ocean like it's a crazy range it's a crazy range and i just can't believe because all the tools are available to the same you know what i mean like all the tools are available to the same people and it's just shocking the degree of of

32:39Jason Stewart:same thing as a paintbrush my friend no totally totally but i feel like because it's like a computer the mpc is my paintbrush i've heard that roberto's feeling i know he can see i know he's about to say the same shit bro hell no i don't well i've i've seen these videos and it has like a real because i feel like people have a desire to have like a drill instructor like yeah bark things at them like they're like whatever is going on isn't working so i need somebody to like berate me and that maybe that's what i need to propel my beat making it's just it just feels like that it also just feels like that era of rap music is like over kind of i don't know it just doesn't feel like you know what i mean like i know it's not but it just feels like people aren't like buying beat packs to make albums it's a cottage industry yeah it doesn't it doesn't it's not a means to success yeah it just doesn't feel it's i don't i don't think like drake's gonna find you in a pile and change your life is what i'm you know what i mean i feel like that era is maybe it's not though maybe that's still a thing yeah i have no idea jim jones is gonna find your song and not change your life miami growing up in miami how what age did you start going to the club well my i feel like my family just always threw parties at our house or we would always go to these events so every weekend there was like a party at my house or somebody's house and like hold on hold on what's the vibe of these parties though like what's going on well it's very like you know my family's from ecuador so there was like a lot of like latin american people like salsa and like caribbean music people are dancing people are eating people are then like you know by the time like 1 1 30 to 2 in the morning hits then everybody like it switches from like dancing to like now we're all singing songs together you know then i would go to sleep at some point and then like wake up at 8 and then it's like my dad and the couple of his friends still up at like 8 or 9 in the morning and that would be like the weekends you know oh shit your dad was turned up like that yeah sunrise and so then you know we would like you know or go to go to spaces and places that would have parties like you know like the whatever like federation of ecuadorians like in the united states and then they would have like these parties so like three in the morning in miami and some like weird industrial park so that was like for sure part of my life and then going up to like you know these like little mini raves or like going to see shows and hardcore shows and you know being exposed to like florida hardcore you know or like whatever like things like that you know now now we're talking what you know about hardcore brother i don't know if you i don't know if you saw this or not but the original singer of morning again is back i don't want to break news here on how when you broke the intranet because i was you know growing up it was like kind of unavoidable there was like every band everywhere in like fort latterdale or miami or like gainesville they were like it was just kind of everywhere so it was like extremely bizarre electronic music because of like winter music festival or whatever and um winter music conference and then and then you know all the downtown bars or clubs were having like diy or local shows that were like you know all ages so it was like the shit you could go to yeah yeah yeah and then i would see all these different bands like different like grindcore bands or hardcore bands or like you know like my friend who would give me um rides from school went from like listening to rap then he was like you ever heard of fugazi you know sure of course the rap the rap to fugazi pipeline of Of course.

35:57Famous. Famous. I don't know. It's just like shit like that. It was just like, oh, what's Fugazi? You know? But I think that's like actually though, I mean, that is sort of like rap music was so big when we were in middle school and high. I mean, that was like popular music. And it was also controversial. And like, at least in my house, you have to like sneak the tape in. Like the doggy style album cover was enough to get you grounded. Bro. I mean, like I remember like I was like cleaning my house. My mom was like making me vacuum the house or something. And like I was like in our sound system downstairs.

36:25like my dad had a stereo system like i had the onyx cd that i borrowed from a friend back the fuck up and i was just like blasting when i was like vacuuming i was like back the fuck up you know i'm like you know and then my mom comes downstairs i was like you know like in spanish she was like i like the music but i don't like the lyrics that's a classic mom line that's a classic mom line but my mom would not like onyx the music or the lyrics so you got yeah you got

36:50Jason Stewart:off lucky you have a nice open-minded mother saying that versus turn this bullshit off that's really funny that i so your parents were they like they fucked with music and they like socialized a lot yeah mostly like latin american music my dad wasn't like into rap or anything like that you know but like my mom was always that my mom was like who played me like sam cook and shit like that like r &b stuff you know okay so there was it was a little there was some variety yeah so there's a lot of paths that Chris and I seem to have had in our own lives as well but now I want to know when your like gay little Morrissey phase was because we all went through that as well my gay Morrissey when did you start trying to get the goth highness you know what it was that's interesting I think there was always like a thank you for taking this question so seriously I am now that I think about it I did wear mascara for two years in 1996 oh goth pussy where do i begin i don't know it's really funny this is actually gonna be this is like very revealing i don't think i've ever told anybody about this but i remember there was like a friend like a family friend and we would always hang out at their at their um house and it was like everybody was there and he was gay but he was very like well they were like they would no one would ever talk about it but it was like obviously he was gay and he had like tons of details magazines and at the time details had like compilations right yes yes yes and he was like oh dude there was like a i forgot there was like somebody on there that i i like i was like oh i love you know this band's cool you know like i've heard this band before and he's like oh take the cd if you want you know i got tons of these detail magazines i'm totally straight i'm totally straight and it was like uh you know i think morrissey was on there i think this you You know what I mean?

38:31It was totally this moment where I was like, yo, this is dope. Learning about the Smiths from Details Magazine is about as good as it gets. That's about as good as it gets. Come on, bro.

38:43Jason Stewart:No, I kind of believe it because I do think that. I first discovered Morrissey from an NME sampler that I got from Barnes & Noble. If you look back at those CDs that would come with magazines, they kind of had heat on them. because you can find, I recently went down a deep dive of the local radio station that I grew up with in Atlanta and somebody had done an exhaustive like Spotify playlist of like everything they played for like a 10 year period. And it was a lot now with some distance from it, I'm like, oh, there was a lot more cool stuff mixed in here than I realized. And I think you can say the same about the free CDs that would come with like a popular, you know, magazine.

39:21It would be like, oh, that's actually, it's not CMJ or NME, but it actually has some pretty good stuff on it.

39:26Jason Stewart:Hell yeah. I dig this ministry song. It's not bad. Not bad. Exactly. I'm rocking with it. The other thing is like growing up, I used to spend like six months in Ecuador out of the year. So essentially like, I don't know if you, I don't know, most people don't remember this, but like for us, school ended in May. And then that shit didn't start until like September 1st. Remember? Like summer vacation was like three months. It was like a whole other year of life, you know? The problem is, the problem is, Roberto, us white boys had nowhere to go. So we just did the same shit. Even Jewish people go to camp.

39:56We just hit the sidewalk, fool. We hit the backyard. There was nothing to do. You got to go visit your extended family in Ecuador and digest your culture. I visit my Sega Genesis. We were going to the Checkers drive-thru just like school year. Digesting fucking spicy fries. Exactly.

40:13Jason Stewart:We were not eating a delicious complex fish stew on the coastline of Ecuador. So you would go to Ecuador every summer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. and the shit that i was gonna say was um then you go there and then the music they're into you're like what the fuck is this like yeah they're still listening to like too legit to quit like and it's like you know what i mean it's just like it's a little behind so confusing like what's on the radio there but then there would be like random shit that you don't even know about that was like big in the uk but not big in the states and i feel like that was like also like things that would like happen to me i would be like oh what is this like i don't know what this is like i love The idea of riding around the back of your grandmother's car in Ecuador and the stone roses come on.

40:54You're like, wow, this shit rocks. This is crazy.

41:06It's mushrooms with me, Matty Matheson. You know what's better than thinking about dinner too hard? Not. Stop that and just choose mushrooms. Five minutes. Done. Dinner's that easy and you feel like a genius. It's not magic. It's mushrooms. stop stressing at mushroomcouncil.com it's definitely from what it sounds like now it's it's definitely like a little hardcore in ecuador right now it feels like a little more there's like a lot of shit happening that was never happening there before in terms of violence and stuff like that so like yeah i just felt for me it was just fun i was like got a chance to hang out like i mean my first big concert was there my first big like stadium concert i went to go see chakira and like it was like insane it was like so amazing like bro who took you to see shakira at it was like at that time she and for us like that was like yeah she's the goat i mean her it was like her first album and it was like her hippie rock phase you know what i mean she had like braided hair and she was like on stage she had no shoes and she was like playing an acoustic guitar you know what i mean and everybody was like yeah like it was like and especially in ecuador a lot of concerts don't go to ecuador so it's like to have anything go it was like insane and imagine i don't know how big the stadium was like maybe like 20 000 people and there's like everyone's just like pressed up against you and you're trying to like walk in and you're just like swaying like this and i remember i was like my arms were trapped and i must have been like yeah it must have been 16 my arms are trapped and like my two cousins these two girls were like in front of me and we're just like kind of like holding on to each other and some like kid probably like my age is like right here next to me that i don't know and like we're all sweating and then he like looks at me and he like wipes his sweat on my shirt and i was like what the fuck my arms i was like stuck i was like damn dude that's fucked up man I was just like, you just wiped your sweat on my shirt.

42:48I couldn't do nothing about this if I wanted to.

42:50Jason Stewart:I'm fucking trapped. All you can do is wipe your brow on his shirt as an act of defense. Eye for an eye. It was insane. But this was back in the day. If that happened now, it would be front page news, unsafe concert going conditions. And one person had to get carried out. And back then, you couldn't move your arms with 30 ,000 other people. and everyone was probably so happy. It was insane. It was great. I love it. Nobody gave a fuck because fucking Shakira was playing. It was awesome. You know, as a first experience, I thought it was cool. That is cool. I mean, we joke on the... Because we went to see Oasis in London at Wembley.

43:30Goddamn. We joke all the time. We joke all the time. Like, it's the happiest. I've never seen that many people that happy. And it sounds like what you're describing at seeing Shakira in Ecuador.

43:42Jason Stewart:It's like church. Shakira in Ecuador. People were just... Peru. The mood was so good. It was just an unbelievable sort of like, if you fall down, I'll help you up, which in today's world is so rare that it was strange. Yeah, the ticket was probably like fucking$10. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Easily, easily$10. And now you can't see Shakira unless you're an American Express Platinum Card member.

44:07Oh, Shakira, she's doing a show, but it's exclusively for Chase Sapphire Reserve members. So I don't know if you're going to be able to get in.

44:15Jason Stewart:Speaking of big, big money, Chris said that you guys met at a Hermes event. Yeah. And I was thinking about this earlier about how everyone, it's such a good as an artist to have a good relationship with a brand to kind of, you know, keep those, keep the trains running, keep the bills paid. and to be uh connected to a brand like hermes like you kind of made it you know that's at the top it's just us right like what like oh yeah oh you have a little you know just i've got i've got this hermes party so you know shuts everyone up it was fun i think there's you know what it was actually the shocking part about it i think like when you look at a lot of these brands that are so luxurious from whatever side either in reality or on the internet it just feels like a whole other world that you're like oh I'm not a part of and everybody's having such a great time and then I got to meet like when we did it I've done a few of them where I'm performing or singing for different events but when I did this one specifically when I met Chris this was more invited as a guest It was like the first time I was invited as a guest.

45:34We were just kicking. We were just learning how to line dance, bro. We were just kicking it. We were learning how to line dance. But it was like really cool because - It's a couple ambassadors having fun. Everybody who was invited was like really chill. And in my mind's eye, people who are invited to those things to do that are like extreme celebs. Like you're just like, whoa. Like I kind of can't believe, you know, no offense. I mean, I think you're like, you know, somebody really amazing. You're great, bro. He's no Brad Pitt. You're great, but I just didn't really, I was aiming a little higher when I was thinking about the guest list.

46:05Jason Stewart:B minus, we'll call it, not A-list. Like, it was Nashville. So I was thinking, I don't know, man. It was fine, though. Well, I was going to say, but more than anything, what I'm trying to say was, like, it was cool because it spoke more about them. Just, like, they're like, we like you guys. Why don't you come hang? But you didn't have to sing for your supper. You were just there to hang. Yeah, and it wasn't like they were like, oh, you're someone really, really famous. we can't wait to like you know use you to uh you know advertise our brand yeah you know what i mean it just felt like they're like yeah come hang this is what we're doing because and correct me if i'm wrong correct me if i'm wrong but i i doubt that you're a customer just based on what i know about you i mean like definitely it's not like i'm buying luxurious brands he has his pieces but you know i just but when you play that sort of thing how many what is it like two or three songs are you doing something specific it depends yeah we've done i've done quite a few actually one one was like in a desert longest two to three songs of your fucking life at those events huh buddy you don't have to answer that question some of that some of them no there's definitely some stories but um i think i've done like three events at this point and or four and yeah they're all so different and they're all really exciting they're all like so strange too because it's like a world that you wouldn't be a part of in terms of being like a musician per se and it's like playing to their world of like visual like you know humans walking around you with beautiful clothes on you know and like and then like you know when you're in a club it's like that's definitely not the scene you know it's just like everybody's just wearing whatever they're wearing and then like it's a different kind of humans it is it really i don't like these humans as much yeah well attending it as you know somebody who's being paid some money to perform your your act for these people and it's a beautiful exchange and everyone loves it versus going as just an attendee are you sort of like i don't know what to do with my hands i don't have a job to do i don't i'm not here no not at all no i was really happy it was that means you're a cool regular person some people are like i don't know what's the run of i just i just talk and drink i don't get it no i think that Yeah, the line dancing thing was funny.

48:14And I was like, fuck it. Let's just do whatever. You weren't a terrible line dancer. I don't remember specifically. I'm a terrible. I'm literally a terrible line dancer. But I think there's some people who were great. More specifically, I think your partner was pretty awesome. Unfortunately, my wife was crowned number one, which I didn't love. Just it makes me feel like save a horse, ride a cowboy is coming soon into my personal life. But we made it out. No, she was dope. I feel like all these people who were, I was like, man, you guys are, I was like, it was inspiring. I was like, okay, if anyone can do this, I can definitely try to.

48:49I would expect, I would expect just because of your rhythm based job, I would expect you to have a little bit, you know what I mean? A little bit. Yeah.

48:57Jason Stewart:Can you do like Ecuadorian dances better than country line dances? I mean, I can definitely do like, you know, Latin American, Caribbean dance. Okay. So you're, you're confident with the bailamos, but when we're, when we're doing a. Yeah, I can dance. I'm 100%. That's what I, I mean, growing up, there was like, we grew up, all these kids like had quinceaneras, you know, if people don't know what that is, maybe look it up, but essentially it's like young women are growing up and, and it's really strange and fucked up also because it's like, it's like their parents are presenting them to the world.

49:32Like my girl is a woman now, but she just turned 15. It was just like, what?

49:35Jason Stewart:She's ready to be impregnated. Well, if you think that's where the Jewish people do it at 13, go ahead. It's insane. and to me it's insane because like not only that but there's like a lot of people take out loans and it's like a way to kind of show like oh i didn't think about that it's like you're stunting for the for the neighborhood so yeah and so yeah exactly like a bar mitzvah pretty much yeah and you essentially spend all this money and then i would be part of like so many of them they would hire uh choreographers and we would learn like it's like multi-tiered like dance sequence where were like doing salsa into waltz into a merengue into like this like a bachata and then like there's costuming and i did like multiple ones of these and it was like insane and to me it's just like looking back i'm like this is so insane how like much was invested and i'm like man i know where you live like should you be taking a loan off for this it's like i you know i grow you know what i mean like yo big dog this ain't worth it let me just tell you right now it's the pressure we got to show out to the neighborhood yeah so you would all right so you're saying that you guys would all a choreographer be hired for basically there'd be a performance and you would be in it exactly and there's a lot there's a lot of it you got three a weekend yeah like how many let's say mid-size how many people would learn the dance i can't i think there's like a number where they have like a certain amount of like i forgot what the word is for like you know whoever the girl is who's turning 15 like she has like a certain amount of friends you know it's like a court you know so then there's like oh it's like bridesmaid type situation okay okay okay so it's not and there has to be fellas to match exactly that's like the whole thing but there's a whole choreography presentation then they announce you they like say my name like my full name and then they say my parents name and then they say the girl that i'm escorting out and then they say her parents name you know and then like you come out and then you do like a little dance and then like you go into this like line and then like this whole it was always like this whole thing it was insane and at the end you have to consummate your love in a back room and now everybody i know Kiss.

51:32Jason Stewart:Kiss. That's honestly, that's a lot of pressure for a 15. I mean, I don't know. That seems like. Also, I guess, though, in your culture, in any culture but mine, dancing is like a, you know, it sort of comes a little more naturally, I would say. Whereas they force me and mine to dance, it's going to look like a bloodbath out there. This old dog's fighting. No one's hitting the steps. No one's hitting their marks. That's for fucking sure. I mean, until I discovered alcohol, I did not dance in public ever, really. I didn't go to any school dances. I wasn't a dancey guy. But I go have an adios motherfucker and a half, and you put on some aha take on me in the club.

52:12Watch him go. Watch me go. Watch him go. Jason, you're a fun dancer because I can tell you're just letting loose. You know what I mean? You've turned your brain off. You're letting the body lead. And I think that's the key to great dancing. Don't think, do, Chris. Yeah, I know. That's that slow wave arriving, and it arrived, you see? Yeah, you're right. No, you're right. You turned that slow wave on when you were like 15, 16, that bass music. And now that shit is like coming through, man. It's coming through. It's coming through.

52:39Jason Stewart:Also, is Ecuador connected to the Galapagos Islands? It's not connected. Okay. I mean, technically speaking, not like physically speaking, but technically. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like part of the jurisdiction of the land. Have you been to the islands? I want to. Yeah, that's like a dream for sure. it's like photos and videos you know that's like darwin dog and it's like it is yeah growing up it felt like this faraway land where dinosaurs still roam and it's a whole thing and it's not it's not that far it's like i mean couple couple hours south of mexico right yeah i don't i don't know how many hours it is from ecuador like actual proper but it's yeah let's go how do we book this how do we turn how do we turn this episode into a fundraiser for our trip to galapagos we'll find don't worry we'll find a way well yeah if this if this was zane low you'd be performing on the island right now but sorry we'd be in the cafe you grew up in with your grandmother tell me about this uh iguana over here i want to see some fucking lizards how often do you go back now obviously a little less so i would assume more frequently now it's for performances i was there a couple years ago in quito but my family's from the coast from way kill so um yeah i've been just going to perform more than anything but it's been dope it's like it's always just like so fascinating to be able to go down there because it's like you know our sense of like what happens in the world is like the united states in terms of like music for me at least you know or for people in the music industry it's just like you can tour you can play shows wherever you want but then when you go to south america it's just like it's not easy you forget about the distances it's not like you're like okay it's not like i'm playing cleveland tonight then indianapolis tomorrow it's like you're like i'm playing lima peru and then i gotta wait two days and then i I got to fly to Chile and then I'm going to play in Chile the day after that.

54:28And then after that, I got to wait three days to go to Sao Paulo. You know what I mean?

54:31Jason Stewart:It's like, yeah, it's a production and it's not necessarily a moneymaker. It's more something that you do for the love. Yeah. Compared to other, other places. I'm assuming. Yeah. You got to scale your mind differently of like what to expect, um, like on that level, but it's like audience wise, it's like insane. It's like people, because there isn't like that frequency, you're like, you're experiencing something like i was talking about like that chakira moment or even just like anything you did when you were younger where it was just like it felt like the like regionally there wasn't things happening there until something did happen and you're like damn this is crazy this is happening here you know so people are people are psyched yeah so i think that's like kind of like the perspective that i have whenever i go down there it's just like such a like like truly being sincere like privileged to be and and honor to go because it's like fuck man like this it ain't cheap you know the flights are like insane and when i was little when we used to fly i was telling somebody about this like back in the day the flights would leave miami i don't know like at like eight o 'clock or nine o 'clock at night it's like a three-hour flight but you could fly over the andes first of all so it was like you know like if you were to look out the windows and it was they probably did it at night on purpose because i think if you were to look out of the windows that during the day you're like oh that shit's like 50 feet away you know yeah like what it where are we going so you're you're threading the needle between the andes mountains right and then like we're in star wars man they would serve i remember this they would serve liver on the plane and i was like you know it was like liver with something else and i remember like my parents getting they're like you should eat this and i'm like because i think it's like this perception of like liver being this like kind of like fancier food you know it's like a delicacy in some respects or whatever i don't know that shit sucks you said i ain't eating that fucking bullshit liver on a plane plane liver the plane's like shaking up and down and the lights are flickering you know and then there's like liver right in front of you on like a silver platter you know you're just like what the fuck if i die with liver on my fucking tray table i'm i'm gonna be upset that's not a last meal anyone deserves okay so when when you go down there how much of like the hometown hero are you or are you just kind of like a regular whatever like or or like does does life change when you touch down in Ecuador?

56:44It's not like crazy or anything, but I think the shows are really fun. People were like really responsive. It's really special. Yeah, I think there's like a sense of pride. I think growing up, there wasn't like a lot of Ecuadorians like I could think of. I mean, like maybe you guys can't really think of the famous Ecuadorians on the radio, but there was like one, maybe two. And one of them was, growing up when we were younger, was Gerardo Rico Suave. Remember that shit? Of course. Oh, wow. Okay. Rico. Suave and then the other one is Christina Aguilera and insanely enough is I don't know why he was born there I'm curious is Mike Judd who did piece of butthead that's one of the craziest

57:24Jason Stewart:Mount Rushmore's I've ever heard Mike Judge, Rico Suave and Christina Aguilera what a trio that's honestly a twisted little group there I didn't know Mike Judge was Ecuadorian That might be some missionary shit for him or something. I don't know. Yeah, Judge is not giving much, I would say, as far as flavor goes. Okay, so when Christina Aguilera came out, it was going crazy over there. I'm sure. I don't know. It was a different era for me. I was in my experimental mindset. Yeah, you're not fucking with that. You're not fucking with that loser shit. That's pop shit. But you're on tour kind of all the time.

58:07I mean, you tour a lot. Yeah. I have this new project with my friend Fabi. She has this group called Reina Tropical. And then we just got together and merged the names. So it's now Elado Tropical. And so now we're on tour. Together. Yeah, this whole year. The whole rest of the year. We're starting this month, going into November. Just going everywhere in the US. And then doing Monchon Mexico. And then that's it. Okay, so are you both playing your own stuff and the collaborative stuff? Is that the idea? Or is it just the collaborative stuff? Yeah, it's the album that we made. and then we're going to kind of like process our worlds, our individual worlds into each other and see what happens.

58:42Okay.

58:43Jason Stewart:Yo, girl, I'm trying to process my world with your individual world. Damn, it sounds like, I don't know when the tour starts, but it sounds like you got some work to do based on that response. Are you guys playing just like straight up shows in a venue? Because I feel like the music and the album, You know, I want to hear it in other settings than just like an 800 cap square box concert venue. Like I want daytime wine festival. Tell me where we should book our tour, please. Bro, help me out. Could you please book me the rest of our tour? Yeah, okay. I will, but I want you guys to be playing a lot of like orange wine festivals and Ojai kind of vibe, you know?

59:27He's like fine by me. Yeah, tell them to call us up. I want you by the playa. Where are you living now? I used to live in Asheville, North Carolina, but I moved and I'm kind of just hopping around, not living anywhere. Oh, okay, so you're on your nomadic lifestyle tip.

59:43Jason Stewart:That's some Asheville shit right there. Ask anyone who's from Asheville where they're staying right now. I'm from Asheville, but I'm kind of... Wow, why did you land in Asheville? What was the draw besides Mellow Mushroom? Yeah, right. no we were living in New York for a long time and then my wife and I COVID gotta be COVID yeah it was like post COVID world and we were just like let's just see what this feels like and I think we were into the idea of being in the mountains and being in the woods and kind of slowly kind of convincing ourselves every day like this is good right yeah this is good between the two of you who said we have to leave first between the two of us who finally gave in I think we were both It was like a long conversation of like, you know, just trying to convince each other.

1:00:31And then I think when we did it, I think what we realized after moving was like, we're such city creatures. That's just like what we love. As much as like anybody loves like the outdoor nature and quiet, you know, like who from the city doesn't love outdoor nature and quiet? Well, me, but I'm a rare one. So that's different. You know, I'm not saying like for four years. I'm just saying like, you know, like a weekend. Yeah, sure.

1:00:55Jason Stewart:live in the amazonian rainforest for for 18 months you're like you don't have to move there that's what i realized is i could just go for a weekend i didn't have to move jay tree for 48 hours i think that's the the realization that it's like yeah man i miss you know we miss like kind of like doing that so i think being nomadic right now has been nice because it's like i you know in the past never really asked a lot from friends i mean back in the day i think when i first started touring was like sleeping in the weirdest of situations like anyone who you know first starts touring should you know sleep in the worst of places and then of course and then you're like shit i can afford a hotel and you're like fuck i'm paying for a hotel every night now and i think that you know became like such a great thing but now it's been kind of interesting to be like you know lots of friends are like yo i'm out of town for the summer yeah yeah yeah i'm like cool yeah when when you're in your 40s staying at your friend's house is a lot different than when you're in your 20s i got some friends whose houses i would love to stay at you know what i mean a few of them they've done quite well for themselves yeah of course yeah i mean and like imagine being like on tour at like 22 and they're like yeah you can crash but like just just pay the cleaning fee and we're totally good just 150 for that just 150 for the cleaning fee if you could just kind of use the keypad to sign out when you leave?

1:02:18Jason Stewart:Nothing in the wine fridge on the top three shelves, but otherwise, whatever you want. That's really, that's really. Well, okay, so now that you've been nomadic for a little while, though, are you feeling, is there somewhere you think you want to land? Like, is there a place that is calling out to you, maybe, that you could put your roots down? Nowhere, really. I don't think it's like, I feel like after living in New York for so long, it's kind of hard to kind of like, you know, like size anything up to New York. Once you have the best, where do you go? Yeah. You don't want to come back here, though.

1:02:45it's hard because I feel like, you know, you go to New York in your twenties and it's a lot easier because you're like naive to everything. And then now like, you know, if I'm going to go back at my age, all the possible outcomes of everything just like immediately, like, you know, Rolodex in front of me. I'm like, Oh, should I even be doing this right now? Like, no, I'm just going to go back to the hotel and go to sleep. You know what I mean? Like, I think it's just like, um, I think it's that more than anything. So I think it's like just seeing which, which thing makes the most sense right now.

1:03:15How much stuff do we have? Man, that's a really good question. That's been kind of like the big, that was the big thing where it was like we moved all this shit into a storage unit. But then I just sold it. I sold my stuff. I was like, you know what? I don't need all the studio equipment. I sold all of my studio stuff. Literally everything. And that's been illuminating because I was like, man, a lot of my friends have studios. So I was like, yo, let me rent your studio for like a week. and I'd rather do that than have a bunch of like gear in a storage unit infinitely you know and so

1:03:48Jason Stewart:I've been doing that and just like you know a lot of gears always broken too yeah then like you pull it out you're like yo I put it away and it was working you know I don't know you know Junos are weird Junos are weird like that I don't know what do you own then a couple guitars like how minimal are we going yeah no I have like you know three three key three key items that I kept in the storage unit and then like the stuff that i need for the live shows you know like that's gotta always go with me which is kind of like obnoxious but it's like a necessity you know it's not obnoxious but it's minimal now a pedal board gets smaller the older you get i've found yeah and it's not something like mary condo shit where it's just like i think that's like interesting but it's not like it wasn't about like joy it was just like necessity sure sure sure the opposite joy actually the shit i have yeah well at least in asheville north carolina i feel like it's pretty easy to unload studio equipment you know there's there's worse places to sell that yeah i thought i yeah i got rid of coincidentally a lot of my friends from new york bought all my shit so oh shit all right you didn't have to most of my shit that's this is a great this is inspiring because i'm constantly told in my life i need to get rid of all my shit and i'm like it's not shit sweetheart it's things that i hold dear near and dear to my heart that have nothing to do with making me money at least i mean you got ready you got rid of stuff that directly relates to your income so that's even more powerful i would say yeah and i think that's the thing that what i was saying was like a lot of times like a lot of my friends like spend all this money on their studio and they like maintain it and they like upkeep all their instruments like their juno and whatever else and everything works and i'm like damn my shit barely ever works or kind of works and so i might as well like spend my my cash here and just like have fun and know i'll get a lot done you know in this specific amount of time than like those things that have been sitting there for like three years that like i don't even use yeah yeah yeah it also you're right it like forces you to work harder for the week for sure yeah it's like all these limitations and all these guardrails kind of like create this like this path to being like i have something and it's been fun man that's kind of been that's what i've been doing it so i have like all these collaborative projects coming out and i've been it's kind of insane just like all these projects with different people and it's some of it's like top secret but there's some crazy shit happening are they like the homies or are these people that are just like I fuck with you like let's get in the studio together a little bit of both a little bit of both yeah some surprises for me too just like really interesting can you tell us one and I'll bleep it really are you really gonna bleep it yeah we bleep all the time we bleep often on the show you have my word this is for you guys cause if this one comes out then everyone will get fucked so okay okay even better it's the perfect crime got it I have a song coming out I think it's in November with oh shit we like that okay that's nice okay it's like her it's like her and me and then it was produced by another friend with another friend of mine and you'll see it's cool that's gonna be crazy that one's gonna go off that's very that's very cool we love it we love a video game that's gonna you know that keeps the lights on in the storage space for a little while longer yeah and then what else next year i did this really this there's a percussion ensemble this is more for like the heads but just like classical percussion ensemble we did we we have an album coming up next year this doesn't have to necessarily be bleep but um well we're gonna announce it next year but we did this with so percussion and that's been really fun they're like this group that's been going on for 25 years the awesome thing about them is that they like are these insane like wizards of like music and percussion like they can do anything create it's just like i was in the room with them i was like man let's just do something like this and they're talking and like you know insane musical language with each other like okay i think he's like everything he's doing is five over eight so we'll do it on six bar loop and then we'll just go back on every other six bars and i'm like wait what are you saying they're like i'm like do i sing here i was like you know what just play it and then i know where to sing you know and then no we were we were just talking to brandon flowers from the killers last week about a similar thing when he recorded when he recorded his country album using the Nashville recording system where it's not just like, all right, A minor into C minor seventh.

1:08:00Jason Stewart:And they're just like, okay, it goes from one to six to seven for four times. They have a whole other language they use. Right. And I'm sure it's the same with percussion ensemble as well. Yeah. I mean, that shit makes it harder and better, I feel like. Yeah, send me some of this percussion ensemble. I want to listen to it while I smoke some weed and do the dishes and just dance around the kitchen, okay? Yeah, I'll send it to you. It's insane. that's gonna come out next year um but the cool thing about them and i think this is like an inspiring thing for people to think about as musicians as anyone who's listening to this this is gonna be a great ending note i would have closed this pot up i like it no pressure no no no well maybe it's just like you know as like we do like art and make and we don't even know what to do to kind of like make it work i think that's like the hardest part about it all it's like we're always like trying to figure out what feels natural and um and when i was working with them they they have this they're like teachers and you know they all they all have families but their percussion ensembles existed for 25 years but they're a non-for-profit so it's like really interesting they've existed on this like grant-based system so they create these like whole that's crazy can't get paid doing that shit even if you wanted to so you might as well and so then they've done like they do like historically they've been part of like all like all of steve reich's stuff they did an album with mamos they've done like albums for like they always perform at carnegie you know but then they're like doing these weirdo things with me and then they have this like small like uh brooklyn loft space where they'll open it up to a lot of like younger percussionists to do like weird stuff there and and i was like man what a cool model that no one really thinks i mean like it's difficult to obviously get like a non-profit or think about yourself but like think about different music ways or think about different ways to exist in music is like hard because like all you see is the things you see on like the internet or whatever you're yeah yeah yeah these these guys are like we don't need to do it like sabrina carpenter we have our own plan and it's working just fine so it's been cool that's that they're pretty insane they truly have mastered it by by learning how to do it doing it and then teaching it lastly to to other people and opening it up to carry on forever that's that's true mastery of it and i'm sure chris and i will teach people how to podcast as we get older i can't wait i can't wait to open the the how long gone school for podcasting you're gonna teach people how to use a how to connect a pedal to an analog synth and get a really good tone out of it.

1:10:17We all have a cross to bear. We all have a cross to bear. We all have to pass down our knowledge that we've

1:10:23Jason Stewart:Just do the job is all I ask of you to. Just ask you to do the job. Alright, Roberto, thank you for joining us. It's a pleasure. Helado Tropical is out everywhere to stream. Yeah, it's out everywhere. Every single Helado Negro is out everywhere and more to come. Todos Helados. Alright, cool, man. We appreciate it, dude. Good to see you, man. Thank you, guys. Have a good weekend. Yeah, man. Talk soon. This is wonderful.

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