979. - Role Model

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0:53Jason Stewart:shout out to all my sand disc memory card users all our first ad's all of our field recorders who else out there yeah i love a field recording personally when it's gopro family when it's buried in the mix you know but you get some texture oh baby that's what we're talking about i didn't know you were field i didn't know you're a field user hey chill chill chill chill uh Uh, if F I E L D not F E E L D. I don't know how you spell it, Chris. I don't know how you guys spell it, but whatever, whatever you say, I believe it. Um, so you were in London. Yeah. Polly TJ don't play with me. Yeah. Um, I, I was in London and I woke up at 4 10 AM.

1:36Now I'm in beautiful Copenhagen. I'm finally getting that, that Danish summer weather that they keep talking about. And I've been here like five summers in a row and never experienced it, but today was the day.

1:46Jason Stewart:Okay. so you finally have some summer yeah it's beautiful outside it's like pretty unbelievable because before you only got like five seconds of it every time you would go don't bring up my favorite band uh get me emotional i will okay so that's good are you gonna ride a bicycle that has like some type of design element on it that i don't like it has enough room for three people to sit on the front uh no i'm not i haven't ridden a bike yet actually today i kept it i kept it local but i did want to talk to you about something that happened to me because i i went to april which is a you might know that coffee they make beans they roast their own beans you may have seen it before um but they have a i've heard of it they have a shop here and i went in and got a you know cortado regular style and i ran to my friend casper outside and he was like oh this is the most expensive coffee coffee in copenhagen i was like bro okay y 'all y 'all motherfucker what does that really mean jason oat milk cortado hitting for 14 wow no extra shot nothing special no syrups no no sugars just just a regular regular cortado so these these must have been free range oats these must have been grass-fed oats but it did i will say it was delicious and i will probably go back really but i just i just wanted to say i think that's a a world record for me personally yeah 14 for the cortado is a little crazy it's funny carolyn her parents came over yesterday we went to restaurant in frog town called loretto and thanks to the loretto people for blessing us delicious great meal friend of the show eric warheim did their uh cacti landscaping um those botanist twitter those he's not making a keen eye that motherfucker ain't making enough money directing you know commercials for the super bowl he's got to creep in on the that one may have been more of a labor of love it's cool if you just i mean who knows he could have contracted them full freight and he's like you want me to put in some succulents 180 grand we'll talk you want the warheim cacti that's hitting a little different guys i don't know frog town got that kind of bread yeah i mean i guess it's kind of like uh if these really are expensive crazy ones what's stopping me from visiting this parking lot in the night and uh you know liberating some of these high level succulents it's kind of like when you heard when you're a kid and they're like dude koi fish like you see it like the pond at the at houston's at the mall they're probably worth like three grand each and i was like why how come see like chinese guys don't steal these every night what's going on the only guys i know got them tatted on their arms they didn't they didn't steal any that's the problem i this is a good you know now that you say that i could see you when you're touching you know 70 72 i could see you being a manager at the lowe's garden center i could see you running that shit like the navy it's not out of the question it's not out of the question you just need something to do you know i mean ain't about money you just you're tired no no i'm giving armstrong i'm giving armstrong and my the shorts that i wear are not up to code for the for the brand uh but i'm such an integral part of the system that they let old old jason cook imagine imagine if you had tj's ace hardware in glendale oh my god that is it you'd be doing numbers making money while you sleep that's the nicole ritchie plan you know what i mean you're not the product okay that's what they all tell me you need your product this is not bad i mean you've thought i mean once once you like come out and retire in la you're gonna have your own like christmas tree lot to combat the other come out come out you mean come out move just to be clear so anyway the christmas trees that company that does those trees what are they called oh uh mr jingles the hot guy mr jingles yeah so i'm saying you gotta go you know like on sex in the city where he's got the the bakery with all the hotties that work there yeah i i would you have that's what he's running but for trees what if you what if you just like were so good at selling christmas trees the yes the rest of the year you're just retired and you can focus on your fitness dude i hire 20 seasonal twinks to get those trees out the door i got the gay guys for the gay guys got the hot buff guys for the chicks i see i this is also not a bad idea i just i don't know there's a decent chance i'll check polymarket after we hit stop recording how many more christmases do we have in us you know what i mean just as a planet oh you mean like you mean global warming not spiritually no all of it like like it could be a little it could be a little global warming like remember back in the day we used to just cut a tree down and put it in our house like that would have you know once we were surviving on trees there's that there's also just like the the collapse of of society where we no longer require christmas because we just every day is christmas the ai bought downloads the stuff from amazon for us look i'm not you know i'm not opposed to Christmas going away.

6:46As long as we find another way to celebrate Jesus's birth, I'm fine. You can call it what you want, but there's a reason for the season where I come from, and I don't think maybe you're on there.

6:55Jason Stewart:As long as Christ is still being celebrated, you don't care what it looks like, right? You can't have Christmas without Christ, Jason. I know you know that. I know that's why you said that. Speaking of church, do you see that MySpace has announced that it's returning? I did. Yeah, speaking of church, I did see a little something about that, but I haven't delved deep. I just think stuff like that has to... What is their plan? I want it to go away. It should stay dead, in my opinion. Should they talk to me and you about how to do it? Yes. Will we succeed? 30 % chance. It does seem tough to pull off, but I was thinking about how what we're doing now on Instagram and TikTok and social media, it's pretty much the same exact thing that we were doing on MySpace.

7:41Jason Stewart:is just a little bit different, but I was trying to think of like what MySpace can do to differentiate themselves from everything else. And I feel like it was a better time when you had one song playing on your profile page versus needle dropping 14 different songs for 14 different Instagram story posts each day. It said more about you as a statement. It said, yeah, exactly. you preserve like one song on your profile it's like this is the artistic expression of how i'm feeling right now you know whatever like i'm trying to use it to to convey to the world of what's going on and the story most of the like nine tenths of nine out of ten times you just like i'm taking a picture of a shoe so i type in shoe and then there's a taiga song called shoes and then you play that song and then that's it no i think you're on to something i do because also you know they're forcing us to add songs they really really want you to add a song and it does drive engagement they do i i get even i get upset when i repost and there's music on it because then i'm co-signing and i didn't really think about you know i'm i'm because i'm listening you know unless i'm watching my reels watch my stories i i keep the volume down you know what i mean so i'm not even i'm not even noticing i hate yeah when you get one of those needle drop jump scares out of nowhere dude but i i do i think one song is a braver chest out kind of chin out behavior of like yeah i really fuck with dancing like for real for real this is the only song that i'm going to share to represent my personality my interests it is it's strong it's stronger it's it's letting your nuts hang as you would say precisely well i guess we can talk about that with our guest today who looks like he's someone's sniffing around the chat someone's sniffing this could just be pr though it's definitely you know he's he's gonna have eight people on the call if i know him uh but yeah we we do have a guest day uh long long time we've been chasing big tuck for a while as a fan and and now he's got a new record coming out i think this week i think yeah it comes out shit it comes out friday uh role model chuck timely in the hourglass uh comes out on friday and I'm predicting Jason that this is obviously a late summer barn burner but it could be fall you know a real fall classic no baseball okay okay so you you like that's transitioning from spring summer into fall winter so Chuck said fall winter 26 is mine bitch I I think so you think they're beefing that's spring summer uh no I think that um I do I was listening to it because we got it this morning and I was listening to it and it does, it's giving Chris driving to a girl's house, uh, slightly overweight in high school windows down in a, in a, that, and that is a, it's the highest praise I can give.

10:35Jason Stewart:And you didn't have no salt and stone back then, did you? No, I smelled like polo sport, bro. You had to do it the good old fashioned way. Yeah, exactly. I didn't even have my salt and stone deodorant in the glove box. I just had to, I just had to cross my fingers and pray. You're going in blind. I'm going in blind. All right. Let's give. Country boys make do, don't they, Chris? We do. We honestly do. Let's give Tucker a call. You've heard us talk about BetterHelp for a long-ass time, but I don't know that we've ever actually talked about how much people love the service when they actually use it.

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12:43Get on there now. Go to squarespace.com slash how long for a free trial. When you're ready to launch, use offer code how long to save 10 % off your first purchase of a website or a domain. Have fun online. Use Squarespace. All right, big bro. You got headphones? I have little headphones. Is that okay? Oh, they're in. Okay. Yeah, yeah. No, I just couldn't see. I couldn't see. Yeah, little's good. Little's fine. We're not size queens on how long gone. I don't know if there's a difference in quality. I have my Max's and I see you are. I am headphone-mogging you, but this is just because I actually.

13:16Not necessarily. Guys, we can't start like that. You don't want to get headphone-mogged by an old guy? No.

13:22Jason Stewart:No, Chris, those big headphones is kind of small dick energy. A nice little small, tiny AirPod 3. Yeah, this is. The confidence of a hung user. This is my Prius. That's your like. Yeah, that's your Dodge Charger F-350. This is the all-new Range Rover Electric. Sorry, you guys can't get on my... You got the nice Rivians on, Chris. Sorry, go ahead. We're all representing a different headphone guy right now, and I think that's an interesting thing because Jason's wearing kind of the NPR radio headphones. Tucker has on a classic AirPod 3, light noise canceling, nothing crazy, and I do have on the Thought Big Gene Solomon AirPod Max.

14:03so i i'm i'm the loser here you know what i mean i can't help it you get the solomons i don't know

14:09Jason Stewart:they're nice they're nice on a plane luckily it's not a video podcast yeah i wouldn't wear these i have rules where i only wear these on the plane but i am in a hotel and i'm just concerned you know i'm concerned about about no i just i need to be in the zone for british noise yeah well no danish noise even worse oh yeah sorry he's in copenhagen pray for him how many ugly things are in the room right now chris how many useless pieces of hotel furniture how many i mean how ugly could it get i couldn't even begin to i couldn't even i don't know where to start i don't even know where to start tucker where are you tucker we'll talk about tucker did you have we do we already get our workout in today get some protein in today yeah i got my protein intake um i i worked out i've been up all morning and i've been up i've been up all morning i like that yeah i've been up all morning bro i've been grinding so you like you wake up you hit the gym you do all that stuff and you're showered and ready to go by around 11 a.m.

15:04Jason Stewart:or so every day? Yeah, and for how long I've had that exact routine, I should be... I should look like the Thor. Like the Thor. But for some reason, my body does not change. There is something in my routine that is missing, obviously. We'll see. Yeah, it's called peptides, bro. I have a guy. Start putting needles in your ass. What's stopping you? All right, so you're saying to us that you're committed, you have the routine, but you're not hitting the goals that maybe you want to hit, or do you feel pretty good? Damn, bro, you sound like Somber. I mean, like, I'm not trying to be, I'm not trying to be, you know, like, my mango here is like music.

15:46I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder here. I just want to weigh more than I do. In a healthy way.

15:51Jason Stewart:so you're saying for the amount of work the amount of work you've put in the amount of discipline you've done the amount of beers you've said no to it would be nice if your body was a little bit better yes i think we could all relate i mean are you eating enough food how what's what's your burrito order what do you put in that burrito god this is like the most man podcast conversation we're having i love this we're gonna get into gay shit soon bro don't worry leave your leave your jake shane at the door this is man shit player let's let's get into it man shit man shit we're talking about myspace okay me and my friend kai actually talked a lot about we wanted a podcast called like man shit or something like that and it was just this but like on crack we we go there some sometimes we hit the pipe you know what i mean sometimes we hit the pipe we'll keep we'll keep it on the rails if by crack you mean an edible and a half yeah what is the burrito order I eat a lot That's the thing that's confusing I eat a lot And I started eating a lot A year ago I stopped eating burritos The tortillas make my blood sugar Go through the roof You gotta start being the bad tennis player And stopping the show to give herself a shot That would be hot That's your apple dance moment A new person comes out We don't sally anymore You come out and you administer a shot in my upper thigh, everyone.

17:15Jason Stewart:That's a good, Jason, that's honestly, that's a good idea. That's really cool. Spreading awareness for our diabetic youth. Yeah, that's good. That is very cool. I wonder if that would travel. Nice little tax write-off. We'll talk about it after. I wonder if it would travel online. It would, I wonder if that would go viral. If it'll travel online. Do you think that, okay, so you're saying that tortilla spikes the blood sugar? Yeah, I used to do breakfast burritos a lot or just burritos in general, like just obviously like the rice protein thing. But I stopped. I also can't have white rice and so there's things that I'm realizing I can't have so um but then it's like the worst shit that I can have so like for the past week I never eat McDonald's but for the first the past week every morning I've gotten two of their like breakfast sandwich things or whatever because it's like 500 calories per thing and so I'll just down two of them back to back okay like do you do you taste them or is it more just function like are you know what I i mean like do you like it or yeah are they are they still yummy to you no food in general like i don't care like i do it to get well there's no nutrients in fucking mcdonald's but like i do it for the purpose of like eating calories you need energy you need energy yes do you have someone helping you with this or is this stuff you're learning yourself no okay you're teaching yourself on reddit i'm off the dots like all freestyle like i'll make things up in my head just do it cool that's welcome to the club brother yes like have you are you working with the trainer and the nutritionist no i think i got it i've got it i see enough like instagram reels that are all like contradicting each other and i'll just kind of i'll go right down the middle exactly i think that's honestly i think that's what all of us are starting to do it's a little bit like there's too much extreme maybe if i just ride the line here that's actually the the solution to all my problems but also if the medical industry the health care industry was easier to use i think people wouldn't have to resort to tiktok science and instagram real medical advice it's like even if you have insurance it's very hard to see your fucking doctor no i think that's real i think i'm like one instagram real away from actually getting a nutritionist so yeah you're sure it'll be a matter of time sure i mean i think it is i think that probably would be life-changing but maybe not in a way that you'd like you know what i'm saying like it would be it would be going against your natural instincts for sure okay so we were i was listening to the album this morning in the gym and i was like it takes some brass balls to open up your album with a mantra which at first i was like a mantra and it's named after you and you're you know you're a hot white guy not a buddhist buddhist guy playing the sitar what's this mantra going to be and then i played it back again the mantra came back and i and i got excited like i i felt my brain kind of tingling and i was like oh what's going on and i was like this album needs a mantra i love that i love that the mantra is a big swing and we connected brother that's all i'm saying that's really cool to hear i i enjoyed hearing that's nice jason i was more i was more focused on the music myself but that's fine you can focus on the mantra mantra is also a song bitch but like were you were you like was there a convo about the way about starting the album like that or was it all good my a and r hated it um say more about that what you what words did your a and r use she was in she was in the room when i basically i had like done it in a voice note i was in miami for some i was doing some weird performance and i was like in my hotel and I had like recorded the mantra on my phone, brought it in.

20:51My A &R happened to be in the studio with us that day, which usually is not the case. And I was like, Taylor, get on keys. And I'm going to sing this mantra once. And then I'm going to sing it a second time. Can you just play chords under it the second time? And I did. And we were all like stoked. And then my A &R was like, I hate this. and and then like my my friend randy hated it like i didn't hate it she was just like okay this is that's my least favorite part of the album oh for two you know it's gonna get the least amount of streams but i wanted to set up the the album and then also the show and when it comes time to tour i like i like that you fought you fought the good fight that's i'm proud of you thank you said no to all these women and said no no no i think i'm gonna do it my way i don't mean to be

21:43Jason Stewart:the boss here but a great great way to open up this the the show as well right i think so it'll be cool in my head i imagined everyone's singing the mantra out loud and we'll see if that happens but it would be cool if people say it to themselves or scream it or whatever so we'll see yeah it has a lasting effect so what why were you what what what happened in miami at the corporate gig that made you need to write a mantra out of are you yeah are you doing some transcendental meditation or did you have a rough night how bad was the chick-fil-a investors meeting like it was an nhl i played at like an nhl i don't know what it was hockey in florida nothing good gonna come from that brother no i know you're from i know you're from the northeast i know you're belong there but that had nothing there's no connection to chuck's mantra and this like gig that i was playing i i was like we were wrapping up the album and i we didn't have that first thing and i knew i wanted to like open it in this like acapella kind of dramatic way because there's like humor and like really fun parts of the album but i wanted to like set it up as this uh introduction like a way to like set myself up on this journey of like maneuvering through being single for two years and modern dating and whatever yeah kind of it makes the listener sort of uh sit up at attention like a like a well-trained rottweiler i was hoping you'd i was hoping you would lean a little more slam poetry but i guess maybe there's always you haven't heard track 11 then chris more like uh like a hobo johnson style yes exactly yeah exactly legend Legend Hobo Johnson.

23:28Legend Hobo Johnson.

23:30Jason Stewart:Yeah, tidy little, tiny desk. What is your relationship to Miami? Do you like it or not like it? Oh, well, you gotta be careful. Because you're an honorary Canadian, basically, right? So you're a long way from home down there. Almost Canadian. I think Maine is the most Canadian state. Yeah? Well, there's Vermont, too, but whatever. They're both extremely Canadian. Oh, you're saying you could hit the four-wheeler, and the trail will take you in and out of the great. We ride. Of the great. Okay, wow, that is close. I see what you're saying. Where my mom was born and raised in Aroostook County at the tip top of Maine, you can ride four wheelers back and forth and you'll be in Canada and then you'll be in Maine.

24:10Jason Stewart:Damn. You got the border control above you in helicopters. It's pretty cool. Well, I'm sure you weren't doing anything wrong, but that is - I guess it's pretty cool depending on what you have in your backpack at that moment. Yeah, absolutely. I'm saying it's like I was like a white 13 year old boy at the time. But like, you know, I'm sure. Yeah. The border is a little spicier than it was when you were when we were 13. You know, it's a fun fact where that is in in Bridgewater, Maine. My grandmother's house is right next to the border entrance where the terrorists came in for 9-11. Claim to fame over there in Bridgewater.

24:48The only thing I knew about Maine is lobster and you, and now you're telling me we got terrorists there too? Bridgewater, Maine, the gateway to 9-11. You might have to fact check that, but that is what I was told growing up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The border entrance right next to my grandmother's house is where they came in. Honestly, that feels like something that's easily searched on Wikipedia. That's not hard to find out. But I don't know. That's true. You know, I've lived in New York for like 18 years and I've never been to Maine and you really rep hard. Do you think it's, I mean, obviously it's part of your identity, but do you feel like it's an underrepresented part of America?

25:27Do you feel like it's not getting the shine it deserves? I don't think it is, but I also want to be careful because we really don't love tourists. I feel like we famously, locals really don't love tourism, even though, you know, it keeps us thriving.

25:43Jason Stewart:someone's got to buy all those lobsters but you guys live a life over there and you don't want the city folk in and i think that's what makes maine awesome having never been there in my life yeah i think they i think locals naturally want to gatekeep it a little bit but i do rep it very hard i'm very proud of where i'm from do you know other are there other people that i know that are from maine but they keep it low like is there is there something i'm missing well have you ever heard of the cup song the cup song cup song no anna kendrick is from uh is from maine the legend the legend pitch perfects anna kendrick is a fellow manor yeah the legend anna kendrick all right you got anything better than that or is that is that where it's starting okay she's and it's cool and it's cool but you know i thought i thought you're gonna be like actually you know what most people don't know shaquille o 'neal is from man you know i thought or could really drop a bomb on me.

26:39No, it's like Anna Kendrick and McDreamy, the doctor from... Patrick Dempsey. Patrick Dempsey. That's pretty... You got Stephen King too? Oh, Stephen King. Those are the big... Those are the top three. I remember I did Fallon, I think, last year, and Anna Kendrick was the person that was on the couch when I performed, and I met her backstage and was like, oh my God, we're talking about Maine and stuff, and then Martha Stewart kind of like appears out of nowhere while we're talking about it and she was like you're from Maine I was like yeah I am and she was like I'm from Maine and I was like get the fuck out no way where are you from and she was like oh well not really I just have a summer home there um but she tricked me for a second she I did think she was a Maine legend

27:31Jason Stewart:for a moment she's like I probably I have a summer home in most states I think I got one in Maine that's really cool to say you're from somewhere and you just have a third home there i'm gonna i like that a lot for her that feels like something only she can do i know i've heard that i've heard that a lot actually in la and then people will be like i grew up in maine and i was like no way and they're like yeah we have a summer house but those summer how those those summer houses can be like go from palatial estate to like a very charming cabin vibe correct yeah i mean the range is main is split you have the coastal main which is the like nautical kind of nantuckety aesthetic just like 20 minutes inland and for 90 of the state it's more doomsday preppers oxycontin cabin in the woods yeah doomsday preppers cabin in the woods manifesto writers uh-huh we're gonna do this one by hand i got a lot of time i think that canada's like that too though everybody kind of that's that's kind of like that california is kind of like that you stick to the coast life is good you head a couple hours out into the center of california you know yeah i don't know california well enough but i feel like that's probably true i mean even if you just go to like well i don't even know i was gonna say joshua tree but that seems like it's split itself no joshua tree gets it'll get methy out there it'll get it'll get nazi meth there could be and then like you said right on the other side of the street you know it's like a a yarn workshop yeah by yeah it's a non-binary tofu burrito making class where are you gonna get your second or third home where would you buy your because i mean i'm sure you got at least one i don't know what the portfolio is looking like maybe you're a commercial real estate investor and i'm you know unaware but if you had to buy a second home not in maine where would it be i think when i whenever i get that next sally paycheck i'm gonna buy a nice little spot in maine i want to buy a spot in the little town i grew up in it's on the coast but it doesn't feel like a it's not the nantuckety feeling but if you do this but if you do this then you go home and you're at the coffee shop they're gonna call you hollywood and shit you know what i mean this could be this could be you could get clowned by your own people somebody who's opened the gates of maine from the gatekeepers and said, come on in.

29:55This could be dangerous. This could be dangerous for you. I know.

29:58Jason Stewart:Well, I've thought of that. Yeah, talk to Kendrick about this. She's been here longer than you have. You know what I mean? She has experience in Maine. She's had residuals longer than you, so she knows about this. I know. I feel like I have a pretty good experience when I go home. It's like pretty loving in a way. Is it too loving? No, it's not. You don't get mobbed at the Cold Stone Creamery yet? No. No, it's not bad. I think I know the hot spots where maybe it would be a little annoying, and I know where to avoid. Because I feel like you could get recognized in most major cities, but if you avoid Sephora, you're going to be good.

30:41Did you say recognized? That's right. I've never heard that. Oh, you're not familiar with that? No. Wow, that's actually a term a lot of our musician friends use for that. And it really works. And obviously only for guitar players, you know what I mean? But I feel like it really gets the point across. That's pretty cool. Maybe I'll start using that.

31:01Jason Stewart:You should. That's a freebie. That's from me to you. Our gift to you, Tucker. Well, when I was listening to the album, you had a lyric. I guess speaking of homes, you had a lyric, made it out the basement, quote unquote. quote is there an actual basement or is that just sort of uh you know a general you know sweeping made it out the mud type of reference that was a more made it out the mud there's not i i thank you for clarifying that okay i my parents do have a basement i had never been living in i was living in my childhood bedroom for a little bit but that was more i guess it was more of a reference to like pittsburgh when i was living there for school than anything but again more of an umbrella statement of like i made it out choosing to live in pittsburgh is crazy man that's honestly what that's one of the crazy things i've ever heard fish in a barrel i didn't choose it they were the only school that gave me enough money and um it was the bottom of my list of where i wanted to be at school obviously did you finish way to shut up the alma mater like that i did not i did not finish i lasted i was in there for three years until i dropped out if i if i had it my way i would have dropped out sooner but i my my parents were fighting it you're talking to you're talking to two while i dropped out of high school jason went to a semester of community college i think so you're you're home everyone you're home i don't know i think everyone who drops out in like entertainment industry or whatever seems to have somewhat of a success story so i it's we're in good company only really in entertainment other industries less so you know maybe medical field legal legal stuff dropping out usually doesn't work out well you were but you were you're a young you're younger than us you're young enough to where people were like i don't i don't need to go to college i'm gonna code you know like you're you you are part of that generation yeah i'm still 19 so i'm like you know i'm still everyone all of your friends are saying i'm gonna drop out of high school because i'm gonna sell nikes online yeah i have time i'm gonna sell chrome heart sweatpants yeah you have so much time man yeah i have a lot of life ahead of me so i'm not super worried about that okay so did you have some type of collegiate basement man cave music studio thing or was it just like call of duty related activities no i didn't i was never a gamer i had i had a closet in pittsburgh in my little pied-a-terre kind of dorm but it was i just had like my desk and my computer and my speakers in my closet and it was soundproofed by the clothes surrounding it and that was my little like damn it was i mean it's the darkest years of my life but it was that was my little setup that i that i made it out of all right so you came out of the closet and you busted out and what is the i literally made it out of the closet but so you were in there were you like were you like making beats ever or was it more just like recording yourself yeah i was recording myself mixing and doing all that stuff and then i was like i need money at the same time and this is before you thought of doing your podcast man shit so you needed a revenue stream that was more realistic i gotta figure something out man i gotta figure something out and so i had a friend who sold weed at like and then at a i guess kingpin level and i was just like hey could you i go to school i've never smoked weed i've never sold weed but could i just like could you give me a little bit and i could like be a cedar for you here at the school could you give me a little bit you're a kingpin i'm a pawn let's do some business brother could you just give me a little bit of your weed he gave me a little bit and i um dude i i bought like a little scale off amazon and i am dumb as fuck like so i i needed to motherfucker really did get it out the mud what the fuck someone so people would come over and they'd be like can i get whatever an ounce or two and it's air up here and so i would have to like i'd be like once i gotta go pee i'd go to the bathroom google how many grams are in an ounce and then i'd go back in and i would do it on the scale and give it to them um but i was like the dumbest drug dealer ever and then also like i started i never smoked weed but i started smoking weed that's not that's not gonna help that's not gonna help the dumb stuff i was gonna say you being a non-smoker makes makes for a good low-level drug dealer because i have never met a low-level drug dealer that wasn't pretty much just sustaining their marijuana addiction you know getting high off their own supply which is like the one rule and i did that and i would like i'd literally have to i would either break even or if i like smoked too much of the weed i'd have to like add in my own money to what i owed sometimes you would owe the kingpin a little bit he's like don't do this again you're like i'm gonna slash the tires on the honda civic if you don't pay me Yeah, but when you're 19, getting high and eating Chipotle.

36:12Right. There's a beauty in how simple those times were, but it was like, dude, I mean, just thinking about it. It was dark times. Did your friends think you were like, were they like, stop messing around? Like, take this drug dealing seriously? This music shit ain't going to work? Or was it maybe the other way around?

36:29Jason Stewart:You got a future here. I didn't have friends in Pittsburgh. So it was like, that was another reason it was like very dark. I was doing all this shit just by myself. but i had my friends from home that i talked to but like no they weren't we were all trying to like figure out what the fuck we want to do with our life i mean that that's what that time is for i mean i don't know if i need to be in a soundproof closet to figure that out but some some people do some people do well i got going going from maine to to pittsburgh it's a real sort of midwestern-y americana heartland type of lifestyle do you feel guilty living in los angeles right now like just on the coast as a elite yeah yeah bro you're you're fucking shilling 40 deodorant i'm sure they're making fun of your ass there is a level of guilt like i guess maybe guilt's not the exact word but like do you feel is that is that maybe subconsciously driving the the desire to buy some dirt it's very real like it is kind of the right word i think i have a lot lot of emotion stores but i think guilt is real and you miss out on like everything dude like you you you this like thing and this like dream that we're all like chasing out here you constantly go back and forth of like is this worth missing my dad's birthday or like missing my cousin's wedding or missing like the birth of my first niece depends on the cousin but i know what you're saying for sure it depends on the cousin but it sucks dude yeah it like that stuff is really like what matters to me but then you're out here and you're like chasing this thing for yourself um well once you get once you get on the hamster wheel it's tough to get off too i mean i think that when you have people you know there's a lot of people that are on the payroll you know etc etc and everybody got to eat and if you cancel you know a bunch of shows to go to a wedding you know people aren't super happy with you no it hurts it hurts everyone like well my manager gave me that same excuse wow that's amazing chris is talking like the enemy i am the enemy i am the enemy in this case i am the enemy no they all they all like know my values and like how important like like i'm going home the week of album release which is like when we really need to be putting gas in the engine there and but they're like understanding and like it's not the best timing but they know that i need to get my like my fix of new england summer sure there's i i was saying this feels putting it out end of summer was that a strategy is that like we're trying to have tucker fall no i mean i had like the release date a year ago kind of around when i started the album and i was like dead set on it and i was like like before the album the the label could even be like hey we need an album we got follow up sally quick blah blah like before they could even do that i wanted to be like this is my deadline and they're obviously that was like their wet dream this episode of how long gone is brought to you by squarespace jason if i'm not mistaken we're both on the computer right now one reason we're able to dominate in the web space is because we've used a platform like squarespace for years to make sure our shit is right and tight Yeah, Chris, a bad website will kill your brand and a great website that's fun to use, unique, and intuitive.

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