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0:00Jason, we're at the age where we've attended a lot of weddings, not only our own, but friends, family, etc., etc. And the through line, unless they hire you, is shitty music. Yeah, the cross-section of people who can DJ a wedding well and people who are cool, very small. So much that you'd have to throw a dart at a dartboard and hit a bullseye just to find them. And luckily we did, Chris. Thank God. And Dart works with actual musicians and artists, many of whom have their own careers and tour in bands like Leon Bridges, Taylor Swift, The Dare, Sabrina Carpenter. I could go on and on. Dart DJs use vinyl and are cool in a way that your friends would be, not in a dated Vegas performer type of way.

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1:45How long gone? We're back in this bitch. Beautiful sunny day here in Los Angeles. Thank God Jason is with me and not stuck in a submarine dying a slow death looking for the remains of the Titanic. He's here. He's available to podcast. And that is something that I can be thankful for. So I'm glad you're here, Jason. How are you feeling? I feel pretty great. I just got home from the gym, pumped it up, had a smoothie. I'm drinking the smoothie now. Everything is perfect. My life is on track, and I'm doing great. I'm drinking the smoothie now. So there was a fairly big announcement today from our friends over at Live Nation Inc.

2:28They're taking the goths to your hometown of Huntington Beach for something called Darker Waves Fest that is headlined by New Order, Tears for Fears, and then continues Devo, Soft Cell, X, TSOL. Oh, TSOL. Come on, guys. I know. Death in Vegas, Kavinsky, The Cardigans. She Wants Revenge. That's right. The Cardigans? Is there anything I want to see less than New Order in Huntington Beach outdoors? Maybe. I can't think of anything. Unfortunately, out of all those bands, that's i think new order is the only i've actually never seen new order play which is a travesty because they're one of my favorite bands of all time and they play so many shows still for how old they are uh i'm definitely gonna go you said this is a golden voice production nope it's a live nation but i'm sure live nation okay well then i'm not going fuck that but i don't fuck with the nation baby the only nation is nation of islam the the cherokee nation those are the only nations i fuck with yeah i don't i don't yeah i i guess i'm just a little bit you know obviously the festival business is what keeps everything going because they're able to pay bands for a fortune for a 45 minute set but the setting always seems to be at least for a certain kind of band maybe not ideal you know what i mean like do i want to see any of these bands outdoors no do i want to see any band outdoors maybe no also if it's in huntington beach potentially on on sand yeah that's that's what they have i know where this i i don't know exactly but there's not like giant venues in huntington beach where you can have like you know a big festival i think it has to be on the beach and i think i know what it is and it's usually like you know slightly stupid and the cottonmouth kings and then sublime featuring rome yeah and you know a band that's sort of nazi-ish not so much anymore i just i just don't know if i just think some of this stuff is is is like i guess it works obviously it just seems like of course really the the just not ideal for seeing seeing bands well yeah i mean that's who cares nope they don't nobody cares it's just it is what it is you know you can't go see your favorite giant band at an intimate theater unless you're like a super cool person and i'm gonna go see james blake at the cemetery no like it's kind of super chill like i know it's just like the gone are the days when you can go see a band in a setting that's not terrible if they're a big ass man no it's it's true it's unless they like they do like a secret set at soho house like a secret them dean them jeans you can do you can do uh the bar italia takes new york where they play five shows in two days which is also like old school and i kind of like it it's like we're gonna play mercury lounge and they were going to play like a weird party with the ion pack in at a house in bed stye and all of them all of them are going to sell out so maybe the 700 to a thousand people that want to see us can all see us they just got to go you know you just got to chase us around town yeah which i kind of that happened back in the day i mean the strokes did that all the time and bands in la you would be like oh the silver sun pickups they're doing like seven nights in a row all over you You know, the first at this place and this place and this place.

5:49It's, you know, it's great to drum up buzz. It makes sense. But I do want to talk more about the submarine, though, because it's such a juicy little. So these rich people paid$250 ,000, a quarter of a million dollars each to go inside of a locked, small, very small. When I saw how small it was, I was stunned. Yeah, I was claustrophobic on YouTube. Yeah, I'm claustrophobic seeing just a simple JPEG on Twitter. And they send it. I guess you pay. It's like the broke version of going to space with Elon, kind of. It's only$250. And they were going to view the remains of the Titanic, which seems like at this point couldn't be much.

6:37I mean, just due to erosion and degradation? Yeah, exactly. sea is a cruel beast isn't she exactly i'm not a scientist but it seems like salt water and weather just salt water can't melt steel steel beams is that what you're saying i mean i'm not look i'm not a conspiracy theorist like you but it just seems like this is an amazing racket and if all of these people die do they deserve it i don't i don't want to say that but i mean i don't know if you saw this this is breaking from tmz.com but one of the one of the billionaires who is dying in the ocean his son went to the blink 182 show and was like this is what i need to be doing this helps me deal with pain so so the son was like you know uh you know i'm going through it right now dada is uh you know he he drowned to death you know maybe 17 hours ago what i need to do right now and because i already got non-refundable tickets is go see blink 182 live at red rocks and that's my therapy yeah that's his therapy and and i mean honestly that's i mean that sounds psychotic but it's also something that i have done because i remember i went to the club on 9-11 because sure this is a bad national tragedy but it happened it happened a long ways away from West Hollywood.

8:03I got to make 500 tonight. I mean, you know, did they want me to suffer as well? You know, I don't think I was I was not DJ. I mean, I was like it. I was like, oh, you were just going to turn up. No, I mean, 9-11. It was a long time ago. I was just like a little old. That was 2001. You were probably like 1920. I know what 9-11 was, Chris. It seems like you don't. I mean, it seems like you may know the September 11th part. This was before DJing when you said I needed to go make 500. This was this is when I made$500 a month. This was not I gotta go pick up a quick DJ set This is when you were doing your SAG style acting Yeah this is when I was doing my featured extra work as well as making an assortment of graffiti hats Okay good to know I'm glad you were But do you think all these people are gonna die Do you think they deserve to die Are rich people as stupid as they keep telling us that they are It's the same thing This is obviously a more extreme version but it's like when the rich guy buys the plane and he can't let someone else fly it because of his ego he has to fly it kills his whole family right you know it's like do you do you gotta why not just be rich why can't you just relax buy a porsche and be in and chill yeah i think once you hit a certain age and you hit a certain number of dollars in the bank account where it doesn't matter anymore you can just buy anything every single day for the rest of your life and it doesn't matter then you have to start i mean they talked about this in the hbo show the other two how as soon as your bank account goes into the bees you just turn into an instant douchebag you lose all your hair you get face fillers and you have a giant thirst to go into outer space this this very second i just have it's just what happens to you i think you're like what what can i do i guess i can explore other places that other people in the world who don't have as much money as i do have access to you can buy yourself into anywhere in america or on on earth whatever that's fine but space and and the sea i get it i i get that i get that i guess but just the risk is so i mean i guess maybe you just think you're you're you know it's like the same the same energy as like a teenager you know you think nothing bad can happen to you and maybe like it comes back around at 60 when you're that rich that nothing bad can happen to you yeah but but life experience should teach you that that's not the case but i guess i guess here here we are so these people are all going to die because they wanted to look at old stuff.

10:29And this is something to consider, Jason. I think the part that's a little cruel is because we all do want to see megalomantic billionaires kind of die. Or not die, but just you want to see their lives be inconvenienced at the very least. So when it's like, Kim Kardashian's private jet had to do an emergency landing in Santa Fe, everyone's like, yeah that bitch should have a dose of reality i can't pay my child support this fucking bullshit world blah blah blah so i think it's a bummer once because they're showing they're rubbing it in by saying like here's the freak show who invented this company and he's controlling this with a logitech gaming device controller and he's like i built this off of scrap parts from home depot and amazon and you're wondering how did this person who has billions of dollars or millions of dollars trust this grifter to literally do one of the scariest final destination things you could ever do is just like go two and a half three miles into the bottom of one of the deepest parts of the ocean in the world where it takes just it takes hours to get there and like just just us talking about this even even with our like stupid logic it sounds insane like it But I want to see billionaires kind of sit down at the table and break bread with me.

11:50I don't want to see them die. But I do think that the bloodlust that we have for rich people makes something like this. People are loving this. People are loving it. They're dunking on Twitter. And it's like, these 12 people are going to die because they want to see an old boat. I think that's why they deserve to die, not because of being rich. Right, right. We got the technical foul. We don't need the and one. let's just yeah yeah like let's just yeah you you know they've paid with their life it's crazy it's crazy but i i think that this is going to end poorly i mean you i like that you still keep thinking that they're alive or like they're they're not dead yet well we haven't look until i see a body you know how i am and unless i see the body i'm not declaring anybody dead i've learned the hard way over here yeah i've learned the hard way with some of my in my investigations situations you know you don't want to call it before listen rookie i don't call it until i see the body of my hands all right i do a pulse check and then i'm calling it in this town i've seen it all okay you got to be careful you got to be careful with that but yeah it's it's going it's going fucking down and yeah it's going down i i mean i mean it's going down there's no other way to put it it's an exciting week uh in entertainment jason because we're getting two pretty big things first of all you watch the john early special right oh yeah for yeah everyone i'm sure if you're listening to this you already aware are aware of it but if you haven't watched the hbo special which they appear to be kind of shadow banning it's definitely not featured at all anywhere on it and you kind of have to dig into the bowels of hbo obviously he's he's not a household name but it's john early good special special on max is is worth the subscription price it really made me chuckle like last night i was finishing it i couldn't really i was annoyed because i was chuckling so hard i was i was awake you know what i mean i'm trying to kind of drift drift don't watch it before bedtime chris i was i was trying to drift to sleep but early's doing some of his classic early style bits and i'm just you know i'm cracking up and the stuff that he does with his parents so funny so good so also i like that the band just laughs in the background like They can't play it cool.

14:02They're just laughing. They've rehearsed it 700 times before, and they're still just like, God damn it. The part, the shit where he tells them, where he flirts with every member of the band and then goes up to the backup singers and tells them to back off was just like, I was fucking dying. It was so good. Sitting on the drummer's lap like, I can't do it. I don't know. Paradiddle? I don't know how to do that. My favorite part about it was when he was comparing, he was doing all the direct Trump quotes, grab her by the pussy, and I came on to her like a bit, and saying this is how, I don't want to spoil it, but there's a part where he talks about that involving him being gay as well.

14:47Really smart, really well done. It was really good. The band was a nice twist, and the way it was directed by Tim and Eric, both former guests of How Long Gone, and it's like, or no, not directed by, I'm sorry, executive produced by. Produced by. It was absolutely. The way it's done is really cool and like keeps it moving in a way that I wasn't. It looks good. It looks great. I wasn't expecting, but we also, well done. We also get, and just like that, season two. Wait, when does that happen? The same day as, as I believe, as the bear season two, which comes out on Thursday, starring our guest today.

15:23Fuck me. Eben Moss Bachrock, one of the, one of the homies, You probably know him from The Bear. Obviously, he plays Ricky. Or excuse me, Richie. But you also know him from probably Girls. He's been in Wes Anderson movies, several Broadway productions. I think he's a Marvel motherfucker now. He's been dead on Law & Order at least once. Star Wars. I know. He's done it all. And he's low-key been a zaddy for many years. Low-key zaddy. Father of two. you know just a patron of the arts you know what I mean so and of course he's making bread so we're gonna mostly talk about his sourdough starter program I hung out with him last week and he was really on a tear I learned a lot about him and kind of his personal style which I also I can't dig in you know yeah I know you love to get into that stuff but yeah let's uh let's give uh Eben a jingle out there and and and you know cobble hill or whatever burrow he lives in and we'll figure out what's going on lovely if it ain't broke don't fix it sounds about right until you actually do the goddamn math for most business shipping is that thing what is it actually costing you because if nobody's questioning it it's probably costing way more than it should ship station makes switching easy and the savings are immediate yeah chris the shipping game you go to the post office you go to any of these places and unless you have a friend on the inside who knows what's going on, they're going to get you.

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20:33This really looks like a... I like this. Is this your house? This is my house. This is where I am, I don't know, 80 % of the time for the last 15 years. Damn, bro. I inhabit this space. Is this your room at the house? Is this your office or is this the general living quarters? This is the general. There's just a big open space here. My bedroom's over there. the kids bedroom was over behind you guys and then uh yeah kitchen over there it's uh we got it when yelena was pregnant with sasha our first kid and yeah we like were even more stupid than we are now then and we sort of like designed this place like oh it'll be great for a couple years and you know so we got like the we have i guess this is the long way i said we have one bathroom no i actually i was gonna i didn't i didn't want to spoil it but i actually i met your daughter last week i met sasha last week yeah yeah and you guys were talking about having one bathroom and two teenage daughters and i was like that sounds insane and i just assume that means you don't get to shower very much you just shower you showered equinox seven

21:50my gym reality is the dodge ymca you know that's like and like during covid the towels went away and they haven't come back yet you know so it's like it's it's it's tough it's tough a metaphor for life really um are you is your background like blacked out or whited out are you you got like terry richardson's white wall behind you chris what is no i'm it's it's it's a jailhouse vibe i go for no i don't this is the wall at our house in la i i don't instead of going like i have the nice shelving here you know that's a nicer background but i i've i just the plug situation isn't situated well for my power needs yeah for when you're when you're podcasting you need a lot of power you know so i gotta kind of i have to go jail mode uh and i need a lot of power you're not the first person to comment on the fact that I look like I'm in a weird place.

22:42No, I just couldn't tell if it was like a fake, you know, like how they get spuzzed out. What are you hiding? Most people usually think it's like, you know, Chris, blink twice if you are in danger kind of sleeper cell kind of they keep me in the basement out here. But it's not it's we're getting beautiful natural light today. So it's it's it's more flattering than it can be. Sometimes you have a I think I saw like you have a little skylight situation there there's a beautiful skylight yeah the house the house actually a lot of the detail is nice but there's a skylight in the living room that's like a triangle shape that really that really is flattering oh it's magical at the right time yeah it's at the right time of day it's fucking magical uh i'm happy i'm what do you have you ever lived in la or have you always lived in new york i've never lived in la i mean i've spent like months there working on stuff but i've never like signed a lease or owned anything there and i don't know my relationship with la like changes i guess from year to year probably that's typical for people um let's see the last couple times i was there it was so hot and i was working like up in santa clarita and it was just it just it just felt kind of it felt kind of insane to me extra insane yeah because you were in a shitty part of la and and also the hot hottest part of la but they do a lot of filming over there right yeah i think there's a lot going on up there um But yeah, it was tricky.

24:08What was nice is I like to stay on the west side, like in Santa Monica, because it's cooler. And I like to go on the ocean. I like to run on the beach. Yeah. And also, like everyone, all my friends live on the east side. So I don't have to, like, if I want to see someone, I have to, like, no one's going to come to me, you know? So I end up getting, like, I end up getting, like, a lot of peace and quiet. Like, I get a lot of nice alone time, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's nice. We love alone time. All your cool LA friends are like, I'm not fucking going to Venice, bro. I don't like you that much.

24:40No, they don't even. They just kind of like you. They're just kind of like, it's just quiet. You know, they won't even answer that question. It's not up for debate. It's like the will you pick me up from LAX question. No, it's like I'm like, really? Like, Giorgio Baldi doesn't have the magnetism I guess it used to, you know? No, you need new friends, brother. Yeah, you need new friends with the Baldi. You invite me to Giorgio Baldi. I'm hightailing it over there. It beats most restaurants in Silver Lake, that's for sure. I'm surprised you've never lived here, but I think of you as a New York guy.

25:16I've been here for a long time. When I started acting, there was a stupid divide between New York and California actors that I guess just was a symptom of like, do you do plays or do you do shitty? like sit are you like a poor theater actor are you like a rich multi-camera sitcom person and i was always just like over here being a being a poor actor um sure and uh that's i think that's kind of really gone away um i don't buy i don't buy into that anymore but it also used to be like you do movies or tv you know and that's completely you know or at least like movies got more respect let's say and i don't think that is the case anymore no i don't think so and like some of the greatest playwrights are like writing tv series so you know it's like you got you kind of just go where the good writing is that's my feeling what's the what's the vibe with plays eban i really want to understand this because it seems like the hardest thing you can do for the least amount of money but there's a lot of prestige and maybe personal growth and like personal satisfaction from doing it it's like fly fishing chris exactly yeah Yeah, kind of.

26:26I don't know. I don't think it's so lofty as all that. I think it's just, as an actor, you just don't have much power at all, ever. You're just kind of at the beck and call. They tell you where to go. They cut up your performance. And doing a play, that's the only time you're really sort of in control of how it's going to come out. so that coupled with for me like a really great exciting dangerous feeling of like getting up there and so many mistakes can happen so many mistakes do happen and then you're just sort of grambling and there's this really incredible like adrenal kind of thing like i describe it probably as akin to like although not nearly as cool but like being in a band and playing like like a show versus like making a record yeah you know like yeah that makes sense that makes a lot of sense it feels fucking good to like do a play and then come out and like uh take a bow and like have people have like people clap for you like i've done a lot of broadway plays so the houses are like they cap out around like 500 i remember like 3 000 people come over but like but 500 people like that still feels like pretty great yeah no that no that's sick i i've never thought of it that way but that makes a lot of sense because i just i've had a few friends that have done stuff over the years and it just seems like you do eight shows a week it's like exhaust it just seems so challenging in a way but i guess that's the whole that's the payoff is that it is challenging so the reward is is there at the end it's challenging but then it's yeah and it is exhausting but it's deeply energizing and you kind of feel like you're part of a community and that way like you go to the bar afterwards and people from different plays are all out you sort of yeah i don't know it just made was a very like kind of inclusive cozy validating kind of feeling for me but i haven't done a play in like seven years or something i think that that's kind of the vibe that i always was interested in is like the other when you're done with the show and then you go to the bar and everyone's sucking your dick and everyone's saying blah blah blah like you know it has like a fraser kind of vibe to it and i i feel like broadway is like the last place where that still exists where you can just like go and hang out with all of your peers yeah i don't know it does have that thing where you're doing a play and you're like this is the most this is the only thing happening in the whole world right now sure sure sure sure yeah yeah it's it's it's uh isolating in a good way it helps with that too yeah yeah yeah i just don't i i guess it's just it seems like something that that is it's a little hard i don't know it's like a little hard to parse because the access is very different you know what i mean like tv movie you turn on the fucking tv it's there you know it's it's the effort the effort required from the patron as well as the actor is different i think than than any other media yeah and also just like for entertainment the price of the ticket is so fucking dumb and prohibitive that it's like it's so expensive like i don't know i went to a play i went to see a play the other day i don't see plays much at all because i think for the most part they're pretty bad but um i went and and like i didn't like seeing a good play it's like an incredible experience and seeing a bad play is just like like time never slows down as much as when you're in the audience of a bad boy it's it's insane screeching halt screeching halt okay so it's theater it's just not worth it yeah exactly uh yeah exactly if you want to fucking burn some money um but it was like yeah i took a friend to see a matinee the other day and it was like 400 bucks oh shit what really is this like is this a well-known is this like something people are clamoring to see or is this just kind of like something you wanted to check out i think that no i think it was a broadway play that starred it was called summer 1976 by david auburn well-known player directed by daniel sullivan like acclaimed director starring with just jessica act and laura linney just like two of them okay but it was a wednesday matinee i kind of feel like i i feel like i overpaid a little bit you know i mean wednesday matinee for 400 is a big afternoon out i i agree that's like yeah i mean that's like a music festival ticket or like yeah that's going to go see adele in vegas type shit yeah no it's big i mean laura linney's great you know but then what is you just get a lot of like old rich people in there and that's just not really you know like when i you know that that's where that the metaphor or the analogy between like a rock show and a play like that's where it ends you know so it's kind of like giorgio baldi yeah yeah i mean the crowd i mean that that's the big complaint i mean that's the big complaint about music now is that like if you want to see any like legacy act it's it's going to cost you you know if the cure is playing tonight at madison square garden they're doing like three nights at madison square garden if i wanted to go buy tickets right now two tickets would cost me a thousand bucks you know and like is that right wow yeah like at this point because you know they obviously they sell out then it's like you got to buy it from stub hub or whatever but like that's just how much it costs to see like the bands you grew up with if they're still popular if people still care it that's just what it costs there's no way around it you kind of just have to swallow that and he and he doesn't even move he just kind of stands no no i mean yeah he sounds good he looks insane yeah you know but i think it's like They wheel them out.

31:48Yeah, but I think that at our age, because you're probably just a little bit older than Jason and I, but they know you have the money. The people who grew up with it now have the money to pay for it. That's kind of how it works. That's why all these bands reuniting, that's why it works is because we all have the money to spend and we're willing to do it to relive that part of our youth or something along those lines. And also, we all know that where you're sitting in a concert now is sort of a social status thing. Whereas back in the day, I'm assuming you go see Cure in the, you know, in 86, you get a general admission ticket and you sit where you sit.

32:26And now it's like, oh, you're sitting in section B, orchestra row. Oh, that's fucking, what are you, a poor loser? I can't be seen. Yeah, I can't be seen in the GA, Evan, you know that. I know, I would never, I would never even look with you there. But then do you also, do you want to be in like the Amex pre-sale section? Because that's not, that's not a great look either. No, no, we don't, we don't pay for sex. We don't pay for sex. It ain't tricking if you got an Amex. That's for people who go to Summit and Soho. Yeah, I mean, I'm a proud American Express card user, but I don't know if I want to be sequestered with other American Express card users.

33:00I've been to one of those things. A friend of ours used to work with Alicia Keys, and there was an Alicia Keys concert at the Ace Hotel in downtown LA, only for Amex, high-level Amex people. and it was an unbearable crowd the way that these super rich Amex card holders were behaving as if really mean to the staff, so entitled just because they have this one credit card. You paid$500 for the yearly membership. Settle down, dude. Centurion. The Centurion crowd or whatever the fuck it's called. The barrier to entry of that card is not high enough to be acting like that. $500 is a reasonable fee. I'm bummed I'm missing the cure tonight, unfortunately, because I missed him in LA and I'm missing him in New York.

33:51I might have to fly. Go catch him at Red Rocks? They're doing Middle America. My daughter's going. Sasha's going. Her best friend's mom, I think, works for Microsoft or something. Somehow she got tickets. Sasha and her buddy Nala are going to see the cure tonight. I'm jealous and proud. decipher you know yeah i was just gonna say how how how old is she she's 16 okay so yeah you must feel really proud that your 16 year old child is making a a culturally correct decision and not going to see some some bullshit you know i can't take too much responsibility for that like yelena is like strictly new wave you know like we like her like she's like really focused my um i'm like I did not grow up listening to The Cure.

34:41I was like a 90s hip-hop fascist kind of dude. It was strictly outer borough from 91 to 98. Okay, like a sound bombing volume one and two, like a ruckus guy? Yeah, I would be in line with the backpack at the wetlands waiting to get in there. Yeah, but Sasha's got better. She's got more, I guess, eclectic taste, we call it. I don't know. It's because I feel like with kids, they could go the other way where they like rebel against you and are like, fuck you, losers. I want to listen to Blackpink, you know? But the fact that she embraced it in some way is a good sign. I don't want to listen to soft sell, mom.

35:23Get out of my fucking room. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. That is, I didn't know you were a hip hop head like that. Is that something that you still explore? I've kind of you know like all dads like I'm still sort of there you know like I'm a current hip like I don't know too much of what's going on right now sure I think like Tyler the creator is really great but like my but you know I'm like I I don't know really what's happening I'm not an authority on any of this stuff I like you know I still listen to my old you know the Black Moon and and uh you know Alta Skelter and like you know whatever Coco Bees you know like whatever I'm just Black Sheep.

36:04I don't know. Biggie, Nas, Mobb Deep. Wow. What was your graffiti name? I didn't get into that. What? Okay. So then you were breaking. No graffiti? You were breaking then? I guess I just... Yeah, I mean, I guess if I had to choose a discipline, a hip-hop discipline... Everyone had a job. Everyone had a job. Choose a discipline. Which of the five? Well, no. Choose an element. Five elements of hip-hop. I don't know. I guess I would make beats a little bit with some of my, from my friend Jesse back in Amherst, you know, we would make beats a little bit, but yeah, it wasn't like, believe it or not, Amherst, Massachusetts was not like, like beats, beat street.

36:41You know, there wasn't like the hot. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't the hot bed for hip hop culture. You weren't really, I'm not totally surprised by that. What did you move? But you moved to New York like young, right? Yeah. Well, I went, I went to college here. And so I guess I like when I was, when I was 17. So, and I'm, yeah, so I'm 46 now. so almost 30 years. I love the idea of you being like an actor, but also listening to that music and trying to reconcile those two things as like an 18-year-old because those do not go hand in hand, I feel like. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Chris, have you ever seen Hamilton?

37:16No. Timmy Chamolais grew up emulating Soulja Boy and now look at him. Yeah, that's a good point. He's been pretty successful, I guess. That's true. maybe that modern era led him to success I wasn't totally aware when the Hamilton craze was really in its apex a few years ago I would go to my friends' houses for dinner and their kids would be rapping from Hamilton and it was just fucking everywhere and it drove me so crazy and I'm sure it's a really great musical Lin-Manuel Moran is obviously a very talented dude but I started putting out I'm sure it's not I started putting out this story where people were like, have you seen it yet?

37:55And I was like, yeah, I saw it. But I don't know. I left an intermission. This is when tickets were like$4 ,000. I just started telling people. I saw it, but I started falling asleep. And I don't know. I just left an intermission. I had a super long day. Just one of those days. So I just bailed out halfway. Those tickets were so crazy. It was like you had to be a former president to get tickets to that at one point. It was so insane. Yeah, I think it was unique. Yeah, it was really unique. I mean, I think that was, but I think it was probably good overall for like Broadway as like a thing because I don't think people, I think it brought a lot of people into that world that had never been there before.

38:34Was that a good thing? Yeah. And I guess hip hop too. Like that's what I was getting frustrated about because I was like, oh, people are hearing this music kind of for the first time. And he's definitely influenced by all the people I named. And then I was like, well, there's so much better shit out there. Like this is not like, this is not where it began. This is not it. This is, this is. No, no, no. That is a great point. I wanted to talk to you about bread just a little bit. Just a little bit. I know you're a man of the grain, right? Yeah, let's go. We can do it. Let's go. I had two questions.

39:05Number one, we were talking about this on the last episode with Liz Fair, but we had a previous guest, and she was mentioning that she makes her own bread, and she said that she feels like kind of a spiritual connection when she makes bread in her home with starter that is sort of infused with her own personal bacteria. Okay. And maybe, you know, all the bacteria in the room is coming from her and recycling into the bread and the starter, which she eats, and then that creates more bacteria. And she said it kind of has this, like, spiritual kind of connection to it. Is that something that you can relate to at all?

39:40I don't really have that kind of auto-filleting vibe with my bread. but i do like um i think yes i can auto my own filet yeah i think it's cool that the the yeast sort of reflects the microbes of the environment that it's in uh i think that's kind of interesting and like how that changes whatever the bread is you can take the yeast and bring it across the country become something else yeah but no i don't really have spiritual thing i started baking because everyone all of a sudden had like gluten allergies like this thing that i never heard of before that's because it's fake it's that's because it's fake and it's what women do so they don't have to eat bread that's why that's why they exist now because of the vaccines but yeah go on that was a joke that was a joke just let you know no no no no

40:36um yeah no exactly yeah i didn't i didn't take any vaccines just because i just was doing my own sourdough i'm doing my own sourdough research i'm kind of good actually so i don't know okay so you were like so everyone is saying hey i'm gluten-free and then you said there's got to be a better way i'm gonna make some yeah some true real bread so i was just like so i don't trust like you know industrial yeah farming or you know like i just figured like the flour was probably really bad or had like um you know or whatever like uh it's got like preservatives stabilizing ingredients bleaching yeah yeah what's the what's the like the chemical that's on everything like round off oh yeah round up round up the gmo's yeah yeah so i was like okay let me just try to take power over it and so i just started making it and i just like really got into it i just i don't know it's like it's i like it it calms me it's like it's it's fun it's messy it's like i don't know i like it how many loaves are you doing uh doing a month doing a week what Do you have a schedule going?

41:37Well, when I'm in it, I'll bake twice a week. And every time I bake, I'm usually making two. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, I like to give one away. I was going to ask, is this like a gift? Do you keep one for you, one for them? I mean, are you carb loading? Well, I got a family of four. I got people. I got mouths to feed here. No, so I'm not taking it all. It's not all just the head stash. I got a lot of chicken katsu sandals to make for these growing boys and girls. Okay, when you make the two loaves per day, one stays in the house, one gets given away. Do you give the better one away or do you keep the better one?