In short
The episode is about “mistakes that changed everything” in real businesses, arguing that founders should own errors, fix what they can, and use the fallout as data instead of hiding it or throwing money at it.
Guests
Hannah Beals (former CEO at Way) explains a dry-shampoo foam quality issue that caused “foam parties,” handled with humor, replacements, and reposting customer reactions. Lea Marcus and Yasemin Bakhtiar (Good Girl Snacks) describe 200 PR boxes breaking in transit and other packaging errors, turning chaos into viral content and community trust. Pia Mance (Heaven Mayhem) recounts 2,500+ sunglasses units arriving wrongly packaged for Black Friday/holiday, requiring a team member to fly and re-pack. Ellen Bennett (Hedley and Bennett) recalls missing an embroidery deadline for 150 aprons for Brian Voltaggio’s restaurant opening, then absorbing the cost to deliver anyway. Rosie Jane Johnston (Rosie Jane) stresses storytelling and product quality over paying influencers/PR agencies. Lauren Gropper (Repurpose) says broad early marketing (“peanut butter spread”) hurt due to limited budgets; focus on strongest regions. Rianne Silva (Beauty Blender) warns that hiring wrong people too long is costly (“hire slow, fire fast”). Michael Petrie (Golden West Boots) reframes setbacks as learning opportunities and benchmarks forward.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTurning PR Nightmares into Opportunities
0:48 to 2:52
Learn how founders have transformed product failures into engaging brand moments.
“First up, a product issue can turn into a PR nightmare fast.”
Finding Strength in Community and Authenticity
2:52 to 4:49
Explore how sharing chaos and mistakes can build community trust and connection.
“Good Girl Snacks co-founders Lea Marcus and Yasemin Bakhtiar share why being honest about the chaos actually brought their community closer.”
The Cost of Rapid Growth and Mistakes
4:49 to 7:18
Understand the trade-offs of fast decision-making in business and its repercussions.
“Moving fast can help you grow, but it can also create expensive cleanup work.”
The Importance of Storytelling in Business
7:18 to 8:45
Discover why effective storytelling is crucial for overcoming marketing challenges.
“Not every problem can be fixed with a bigger budget.”
Focusing Marketing Efforts for Success
8:45 to 9:59
Learn the value of targeted marketing versus spreading too thin early on.
“Growth is not just about reaching more people.”
Learning from Hiring Mistakes
9:59 to 12:54
Gain insights into the costly lessons learned from hiring the wrong people.
“Is that a piece of advice that you would still give to founders in this space today?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00These are the parts of building a business that does not show up in the launch photos or highlight reels. We had all of our PR boxes break. We didn't deliver on the day it needed to ship. Two and a half thousand units arrived all wrong, packaged wrong. But the best founders don't pretend mistakes aren't happening. They own them, fix what they can and use them as data for the next decision. You can't just throw money at a problem and expect it to go away or be a silver bullet. People just appreciated that we addressed it head on. Sometimes the mistake is expensive. Sometimes it is public. Every day I felt like we were on the verge of collapse.
0:36I've learned very costly lessons. In this episode, we are hearing from founders who have stumbled, recalibrated, and have come out with hard-won lessons for what comes next. So let's get into it.
0:52First up, a product issue can turn into a PR nightmare fast. Hannah Beals, the former CEO at Way, explains how the team turned that PR nightmare into a viral sensation. We launched very early. One of our first innovation launches was a dry shampoo foam, which was really cool. At the time, no one had seen that format of dry shampoo. It was like you poofed it into your hand and rubbed it in. It felt wet, but eventually dried out and made your hair feel super clean. And so it was a new format that people hadn't experienced, and we were really proud of the innovation. and it sold like gangbusters because there was a lot of great influencer pickup when it launched and like we had an incredible launch for it.
1:31And then once that it was in market, it turned out there was a little bit of a quality issue and it was exploding in people's bathrooms. It was like in a way that like you couldn't believe how much foam this can contains. Like it was turning people's bathrooms and cars and gym bags into a foam party. And so it was a pretty major quality issue and it could have been a huge like PR nightmare for the brand, But we just owned it with a sense of humor. And we started reposting everyone's foam parties, we called them, in the bathroom. And we did like a hashtag that was like no FOMO or go big or go foam with your foam parties.
2:05We obviously handled it with like incredible customer service experience so that anyone who had that, like we would replace, send them other products, like no questions asked. But we also did, is it like Jimmy Kimmel that does mean tweets or whatever? we did our own version of that that was mean reviews of the foam and just like read all of the tweets and the product page reviews of people roasting us for the experience. And I think people just appreciated that we addressed it head on. We were honest about how we were solving it. And we had a sense of humor about what had happened. And at the end of the day, brands are just run by people who do their best and ultimately make mistakes sometimes and have to figure them out.
2:44And so that ended up being a win for us as a brand. And to this day, we have people who know us for our iconic exploding trash and poo foam. Sometimes the disaster is the content. Good Girl Snacks co-founders Lea Marcus and Yasemin Bakhtiar share why being honest about the chaos actually brought their community closer. On the marketing side, we had all of our PR boxes break this summer, like 200 of them. And FedEx decided it was a good idea to still deliver them. So you had like, you know, huge influencers and their first interaction with us is broken glass all over their front door. And like pickle juice.
3:21Right. Smells so good. And then our second PR run a few months ago, wrong tape, wrong inserts. No one knew what was going on. It was just like, here's pickles. So that was a mess. For me, the like logistics piece is really the one that got me and like dealing with frayed and like things like that. like shipments not arriving on time, or I accidentally sent a full pallet of product to the wrong warehouse. And then the company like reached out to me and they were like, hey, what is this? What is this shipment we just received? And then you have to work to reroute the shipment. And then obviously all these mistakes are expensive as well.
4:01So that adds another layer of stress. It's like, not only are you delaying everything, but you're also having to pay to clean up the mess you made. And so, yeah, there's been definitely a lot of panic moments. We like always make a moment out of these panic slash like disaster situations because those are the videos that go viral. Like we made a video about these 200 PR boxes that broke and it exploded and we saw positive out of it because people are like, oh my God, like, thank you for being honest. I've never seen a brand talk about that before. Yeah. And then, you know, they have respect for us or they follow us or whatever else.
4:37And then again, back to the community and like authenticity conversation. And if people are invested in you, then there's probably more leniency, right? Yeah, totally. It's a more forgiving attitude. Yeah. I feel like they know you. Yes. Moving fast can help you grow, but it can also create expensive cleanup work. Heaven Mayhem founder Pia Mance shares how she solved a massive packaging mistake. When you look back, is there anything that you would do differently? I mean, I make mistakes every day. I think I always say like, done is better than perfect. Get it done. Just do it. And that has helped us so much and moving quickly and taking loads of opportunities has helped us so much.
5:18But I think at the moment, I'm looking to slow down my decision making. I want to like be very, very considered, especially when it comes to signing on new things or hiring. And like sometimes I make mistakes. For example, it was my fault. I messed up something to do with our sunglasses packaging. all the units arrived for our Black Friday sale and for holiday to Atlanta and our best-selling eyewear. I think two and a half thousand units arrived all wrong, packaged wrong. So someone from our team had to fly there. She took her sister on like a vacation and they sat there for three days unpacking and packing two and a half thousand units.
5:54So like that was my mistake, but it is what it is. You learn from it. Next, Hedley and Bennett founder Ellen Bennett shares the order and mistakes she still remembers from the earliest days of the company. Every day I felt like we were on the verge of collapse in some different fashion. I mean, I'll never forget there was an order for Brian Voltaggio, who's Michael Voltaggio's brother. I had met him through Michael, so I felt this, like, need to do everything perfect. And they gave us an order for 150 aprons, which is the biggest order Hedley and Bennett had ever done by miles. And they had a deadline.
6:29They were opening the restaurant, and we did not get the embroidery right. Like there was something wrong with it and we didn't deliver on the day it needed to ship. So we missed the cutoff to ship. And we were freaking out. We were like, the restaurant is going to open without our aprons. And while it's like the last thing you're thinking of in a restaurant opening, it's also the thing that they went out of their way to think about and we failed them. And we ended up giving them the aprons. We gave them 150 aprons. You didn't have the money for that? Hell no, we didn't have the money for that.
7:02But I did it because I wanted him to know that we were taking responsibility for the mistake that we made. And I think that had a really big impact on them. And I don't even really know if he understood that we were that tiny and that we had absorbed that cost. But it didn't matter. I wasn't doing it for anyone other than like our own integrity and letting our customer, who was really our friend, know, hey, we're owning our mistake here. Not every problem can be fixed with a bigger budget. by Rosie Jane founder, Rosie Jane Johnston breaks down the lessons she learned about money, marketing and why storytelling matters.
7:38You can't just throw money at a problem and expect it to go away or be a silver bullet. And I learned that by, oh, well, this isn't working or we're not growing. Someone's not loving this fragrance. Let's just, you know, pay influencers to do it, right? Or let's just get a bigger and better PR agency. that is never what moves the needle, right? It has to come back to storytelling. It has to come back to quality of product. But that, and I think also how much money it takes to start a business. When I very first started, I printed all this letterhead. I mean, this is why it's so old school, right?
8:18When I did the first like cheek and lip gloss, I asked my dad, hey, can you help me. I want to print. I had letterhead. I had envelopes. I had business cards. I probably spent$5 ,000, right? Just printing letterhead. And I was like, what? I don't even know what I was thinking. It's just taking it slow, trying to rush something, trying to push through. Sometimes too much money is not the answer. Growth is not just about reaching more people. It is about reaching the right people. Repurpose founder Lauren Gropper shares why trying to spread the brand too broadly, too early, made marketing harder than it needed to be.
8:59We made so many mistakes. I mean, on the education side, we didn't have the budget. I mean, we had really minimal marketing budgets. We were like living on a shoestring to be able to do anything. And so it was sort of early days of social. We relied on that and influencers and whatnot. But really, you're hitting like a tiny fraction with the budgets that we had. So I think what we did was probably try to penetrate too much of the market early on when really we probably only had a, you know, a consumer buy-in on the West Coast, probably maybe some of the, you know, Northeast Coast. Really, it was like a coastal thing and maybe some pockets of, you know, various metropolitan areas throughout the country.
9:39But it was not widespread across the country in terms of just awareness or desire for these kind of products. So I would have focused more heavily on those markets and just gone very deep there versus trying to kind of like peanut butter spread across the country and, you know, support that. It was really hard. Is that a piece of advice that you would still give to founders in this space today? Narrow the focus? Or do you feel like the landscape has changed stuff? I think the landscape has changed so much, especially with e-commerce. You can really, I mean, you can be available for everyone everywhere, but I would focus my marketing budget, yes, on those areas that I feel have the strongest consumer market for my product.
10:24Some of the most expensive mistakes are mistakes you make when building a team. Beauty Blender founder Rianne Silva talks about leadership and the cost of keeping the wrong hire for too long. The only way you learn is through your mistakes, right? I mean, for me, what I have learned in the most dramatic way is the people that you surround yourself with are the most important lessons, right? Learning how to identify the right executive, the right team member, the right person that is going to help you get where you're going to. Now, they're all going to tell you they are, but how to identify that they are the right person?
11:09And really, I know maybe the next question is, oh, Rianne, how do you do that? Well, for me, it's been through hiring the wrong people that I've learned very costly lessons through. What do they say? Hire slow, fire fast. They do. They do. There's a reason for that. Yeah. Yeah. And I have hired slow and fired slow and it has hurt me. So I've learned. Not every founder likes the word mistake. Golden West Boots founder Michael Petrie sees those moments as learning opportunities instead. My brain is always on the front foot. I'm always moving forward. You know, we haven't made any mistakes, but maybe somebody else from the outside would say, well, they could have done this.
11:53But if I live in that space and I'm generally, I wake up and my natural resting position is very positive. And I just talked about actually, I had a meeting this morning and I said, I don't view things as mistakes. I view things as learning opportunities. Could we have done something better? Or, you know, we had a couple of marketing events that people wanted to have more down funnel traffic. But the argument backed on that would be we learned and now we can benchmark next year on how we're going to get more down funnel traffic. But in our first year, we're able to now have these learnings. So I don't look at those things as, you know, mistakes or it didn't go as well as we thought.
12:27Those are just clear opportunities to do better. And that's how how I sort of look at those things. So to me, it winds back almost being data-driven. I never want to look backwards. If I'm looking in my rear view mirror, how am I going to tell you what's happening in spring 2027? Building a business is iteration. You test, miss, learn, and make the next decision better. That is why Shopify Masters exists, to be your companion as you start, scale, and learn from founders doing the same. Thanks for tuning in. Subscribe for more and click that link in the description to start your free Shopify trial today.
12:59We'll see you next time.
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